Poll: What Was the Best Guitar Album of 1984?

Guitar World is currently running a poll around the Best Guitar Album of 1984. Somehow, Stryper got all their fans to vote, so they’re now beating Van Halen’s 1984. Vote your favorite and check in next week to see who won the coveted number one spot. Vote here.

Vsn Halen 1984Van Halen’s 1984 masterpiece was David Lee Roth’s final studio recording as frontman for the band – Diamond Dave went out with a monumental bang! The ultimately ten-times platinum recording boasts signature Van Halen classics including “Panama”, “Hot For Teacher”, “I’ll Wait”, and “Jump”. “Every song hits harder than expected,” wrote Rolling Stone, “until by album’s end you’re convinced that, despite all the bluster, Van Halen is one of the smartest, toughest bands in rock & roll.”

  • FrankenfootDumbo

    With regard to the Jump incident, maybe his guitar tech didn’t hand him a guitar with Sharpie Xs up and down the neck to denote fret location?

  • jaaphalen

    @ leeps 83. I have been on this sight for about 6 months. You are in my mind one of the best and most passionate writers on this site. But DLR you write about no longer exists. I know cuz I saw VH from day one. The old DLR would tell the bros to stuff it-and get on with show. “Get Ready!” thats it? From the man who speaks fluent Spanish and Portuguese? As far as Sammy stealing from Jimmy Buffet-Remember what Dave used to say back in the day. ” Van Halen steals from everybody! Your best friends girl, songs anything.” That was classic Dave. Or how about the bottle flying from the stands that seemed to occur at every Diver Down show? Seems every arena had one back then. The flamboyant, butt karate kicking, high flying off the drum kit and much more. Has become mortal-and thats ok. The 07 show was good. But if he didn’t have VH now his career would be over. His last tour faded I believe in N. Dakota. You are a gifted writer-you know your stuff. But I saw and was there in the CVH days. They have a ton of my money. Like you I love CVH, unlike you I have no problem with Sammy. Let him talk-no skin off my nose.

  • Adam

    To Frankenfoot & Carnal Knowledge…please try to respect the truth and not spread falsehoods that support your argument. There is misinformation and disinformation out there already.

    Carnal Knowledge said “David Lee Roth’s last two albums had 26 out of 29 covers. Lots of creativity there, huh?”

    Did those numbers stink after you pulled them out of your ass?

    Roth’s last two albums:
    DLR Band (1998): 14 songs, NONE of which are covers. Fantastic rock album!
    Diamond Dave (2003): 14 songs, 10 of which are covers. This is his weakest album IMO, however, even the covers were creative.

    Carnal Knowledge said, “Sammy was a platinum, arena headlining act before he joined Halen.”

    No he was not. Sammy’s first album to go platinum was VOA, which turned platinum in Nov 1995, several months after he was proclaimed the new singer for Van Halen. When he joined VH, he had ZERO platinum albums. As for his tours, he did play arenas in SOME markets, but his tours were absolutely nothing compared to VH tours.

    Frankenfoot said, “I didn’t go [to the VH 2007 tour]. I did, however, catch the live version of Jump on YouTube with Dave.”

    You are trying to sum up the entire tour by talking about the ONE AND ONLY live clip on youtube where the band fumbled because the recording the keyboard for “Jump” was off?? Seriously?? How many youtube clips are there of the last tour? Maybe 10,000? Talk about cherry picking! I saw 9 shows on the 2007-2008, all of which were phenomenal. The VAST majority of reviews written by critics and fans alike were extremely positive. The tour was a complete success, which was obviously not what you would have wanted. The fact that you are now trying to spin it as unimpressive can’t change that.

  • Roth_Leaps_83

    @ Frankenfoot the Dumbo —-

    I’m not Australian so I’m not privy to all that went down behind the scenes at the Soundwave Festival, but it appears to be the victim of bad promoters who made a lot of false promises to the fans (ie, getting Aerosmith on the bill). Van Halen was the only reason that festival had a shot to begin with — without them, they wouldn’t have sold more than a dozen tickets in each city.

    I can guarantee you that when VH tour heads down under in 2012 it will sell out their venues. Let’s see if your beloved Chickenfoot can pack those 500-seat pubs on their next tour in Oz — I bet they wont unless they give away free tickets and beer.

    You seem to have a lot of contradictory logic going down in your brain — so typical of a Sammy apologist. You say you didnt attend the VH tour in 2007 because it was a “novelty act”, but you went to a Van Hagar reunion show in 2004 where 95% of the setlist was nostalgia tunes. Why not just admit you’re a blatant Sammy lover instead of fooling us by calling yourself a VH fan?

    You’re impressed that Eddie played “When It’s Love” at his wedding to Janie? Sounds like you’re finally admitting the truth — Van Hagar music is only good for weddings and making soccer Moms cry as they cruise around in their minivans.

  • John

    Hey drama queens, this was a poll about best guitar album of 1984, not a Sam VS Dave thread. Chill out and enjoy what is left of summer and listen to some rock and roll.

  • http://www.ievolvedintothis.com Ken A

    Q. What is the greatest guitar album of 1984?

    A. Sam vs. Dave.

    Hey, Jas Obrecht has a pretty good interview with Ed on his site. Maybe we could talk about that… nah, let’s talk about Sam vs. Dave.

    Ed’s got some new guitars coming out. Isn’t it cool that he changed his position on letting people use what he uses? What? What do you mean it hasn’t happened yet? Oh, right, it’s still 1985 and Sam vs. Dave is still a fresh, relevant issue. My mistake!

    Glad to know that some of the folks here can remind us of what’s truly important any time the conversation comes dangerously close to being about something else.

  • freddiegirl

    Topjamie-Thanks! Well-written post! I could do the same in the defense of WACF and how that’s my personal favorite and perfect VH album.. ;)

    Adam-As always a voice of reason and always well-researched; can’t argue with that! I raise my Dr. Pepper up to you, bro!

    Halen High and Dirty Duck-What’s up fellow CVH buddies!

    Carnal Knowledge-After years of hating Hagar and then deciding that both he and Valerie Bertinelli weren’t the anti-christ and VH’s own personal Yoko One I came to the conclusion that there really were good things about the Hagar-era and that Ed caused a lot of his own problems. Still love the man though. So after realizing Hagar wasn’t so bad; although perhaps a bit of a teller of white lies (no big deal in the grand scheme of things..) I read that he’s dissed VH about the Soundwave cancellations. The thing is..VH didn’t cancel and Hagar opened his mouth and said they did. They did not; Aerosmith did and the gigs were cancelled due to that and lagging ticket sales. Not VH’s fault. At least I don’t see it as their fault. I’m sure some people are going to tell me it is because they don’t keep the fans updated; they should’ve toured more blah, blah blah. Still not directly VH’s fault. Why couldn’t Sammy just not say anything or say; jeez, them’s the breaks. This is why I keep losing respect for him (again). :(

  • ou812

    The best. i was on the road doing .1984.v:h:show>it the best of time for me

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    Carnal Knowledge:

    For someone who is such a big fan of vh you dont know jack brother. You rag on roth leaps and halen high , but at least they know wtf they’re talking about man! Jeez! Sam was NEVER a platinum artist before he joined! LOL. C’mon man! Might have to stay after class for that one pal!

  • Drew

    Dirty Duck:

    Incorrect.. Sammy Went platinum with VOA on November 19th, 1985. 5150 didn’t come out until March 24th, 1986.. So he was INDEED a Platinum artist before he joined. On the heels of him joining, but before nevertheless… Standing Hampton and the first Montrose were also platinum records but not till later.

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    freddiegirl!!!

    How are ya!? Hope all is well with you and you’re rockin’ and rollin’ as usual! :)
    *Also hope that your family is doing better too….

    I’m glad you mentioned sam (as usual) shootin’ off his mouth about the VH soundwave fiasco. He just loves knockin’ VH in the press…and can you believe he’s STILL bitchin’ about how mike was treated? Christ! Here’a a man that has millions of dollars, and a new band that he praises as the next led zepplin ;), but he constantly reeks of jealousy and insecurity! It’s so blantantly obvious and its a shame cause some of his fans are just as sad. At least I admit DLR’s faults and things he could have done better on wax or publicly! A lot of double standards around here. VH has moved on…why cant sam? Wonder why REAL sam fans can never seem to anwser that perticular question, or tip toe around it. Read the articles. It’s all there. In black and white.
    But still, We die hard fans of classic vh are always labeled as jerks, LOL! Amazing!

  • Lupercal

    @ Roth_Leaps

    “You say you didnt attend the VH tour in 2007 because it was a “novelty act”, but you went to a Van Hagar reunion show in 2004 where 95% of the setlist was nostalgia tunes.”

    Nostalgia:

    1. A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past.
    2. The condition of being homesick; homesickness.

    Several observations have confirmed the role of sound (a melody, a sound, a voice) in homesickness, either as a pathogenic agent that increases the pain of absence, or as a therapeutic factor that can instantly bring about remembrance.

    Pain of absence and therapeutic remembrance is something that ALL VH fans can get on board with. Leaps, you really can’t rag on the guy for going to the 2004 tour if you went to the 2007 tour too – they were both “reunions” and both relied heavily on the material that was made in the time of that singer. Obviously one was a lot better than the other, but they were both “nostalgia” tours, lets not pretend that the 2007 tour was leaning on any new material.

    And for the record I don’t think Sammy has any yearning to go to Australia. If what I’ve heard is right, they don’t really know who the hell he is down there. Hence why they never went there with him. You’re lucky, actually Leaps – VH are an amazingly US-orientated bands so guys like me in the UK have yet to see them live (as I’m 20, too).

  • Mike c

    Really people have argue about this on every post! I’m surprised we haunt heard… “please Eddie please bring mike back I’m begging you. Please being him back Eddie!”…

    Why does it always come to this why do grown men become Children? Why can’t we all just enjoy the music?!

    *THE NATION WAITS* (completely sarcastic here)

  • Adam

    Drew, that’s my point. VOA wasn’t platinum when it was announced that Sammy was now VH’s new singer.

    Back in 1985, that announcement was HUGE news, bigger than ANY rock ‘n’ roll news that we get these days. The reason why VOA went platinum (Keep in mind…AFTER the news) was because of the millions of VH fans who suddenly had very good reason to be curious about Hagar. The average/typical rock fan of 1985 owned some VH albums, but no Hagar albums. They knew him as the guy who sings “I Can’t Drive 55″ , and MAYBE knew songs like “Three Lock Box” or “I’ll Fall In Love Again”. The typical rock fan certainly didn’t own ony of Sammy’s Capitol records, and never even heard of Montrose.

    Anyway, after the huge “new singer” announcement, a few hundred thousand VH fans went out and and bought “VOA” solely to get a glimpse of who was to be the new singer of their favorite band.

    If Hagar never joined VH, VOA could have easily never went platinum. Heck, Hagar could have very easily ended up having no platinum albums at all.

    Now that it’s 2011 and Hagar has been part of the Van Halen alumni for 25 years, I think some people here are having a very hard time imagining what his career would be like if he never joined VH. Remember, his plan was to release just one more solo album, and then retire. He would be more than a one-hit-wonder (“Can’t Drive 55″) but maybe not much more.

    Here’s one huge difference between Sammy and Dave. Sammy doesn’t acknowledge any of this (in fact, he flat out lies about having “4 or 5 platinum records” before joining VH!!) And, opposite Hagar, Roth is totally respectful of Van Halen’s legacy….the band HE built with Ed, Al, & Mike.

  • dan slaughter

    @Carnal Knowledge….I agree with you on a lot of things….look it up…Hagar did have a platinum record in VOA….Hagar did headline arenas from 1981 to 1985…so to all who doubt it..check you facts. It absolutely seems like some of the die-hard Roth era VH fans on here do not want to hear a single positive thing about Hagar fronted VH. They refuse to accept or acknowledge any of the success the band had between 1985 and 1995. And when they write the things that they do…they sure as hell seem like Roth fans first. I have never seen them address what happen to Roth’s solo career and why they think he had so much trouble even reaching gold status in the end. I could continue on pointing out Roth issues and asking questions, but I think the point has been made. Everyone on here knows how much certain dudes hate Hagar and how they wish he had never joined VH. We all know you guys want Hagar to retire. EVERYONE agrees classic Halen was the best…now how about giving a nod of respect to Carnal Knowledge….

  • dan slaughter

    Sammy Hagar has not let go of the past. I think he has a lot of regret as to how he handled things while he was in the band and that he wishes he could have done all kinds of things differently. I think he thinks of Van Hagar as the pinnacle of his career and he wishes things would of turned out that he was still in the band. He was insecure about the comparing of classic Van Halen to MachII and he let it cause problems. He..just like Roth does…talks shit out of jeasously and worry. He has made a lot of mistakes in how he has decided to comment on his time in the band. He use to have the best job in rock n roll and now he doesn’t. Let be known I addressed the issues.

  • freddiegirl

    Dirty Duck-Hugs! I’m doing much better, or as better as can be expected. My mum’s doing surprisingly well; glad to see that she’s dealing with stuff as well as she has. Hope you’re well too! I think that only some of the Roth extremists are labeled as jerks, you never come off as one and always present your side an opinions very well and of course I agree with ‘em all~!

    Adam-You’re right; I actually think that the Hagar-era had some nice tracks. Van Hagar was a very good, very solid rock band but it always disappointed me that Sam had to join in with the brothers in slagging Roth. That was the first time I felt disappointed with Ed, my musical-hero. It was just awful. And for Hagar to pipe in when I felt he had no need to; uncool. I get that Ed was upset; in fact he said he cried when Dave left..and Dave’s no angel either but I always felt that Hagar had no business commenting on what happened with Dave’s departure because he simply wasn’t there. It’s a shame that Hagar can’t just enjoy his success; he’s got a great band, more money than God and obviously had a good heart; I applaud his charities; I just wish he’d leave VH alone to do their own thing. If the new VH album flops than Sam’ll have the last laugh but he did also say in the RS interview that he hoped that VH’s new album would be great and that rock music needed a guy like Ed; so why not leave it at that?

  • Halen High

    Carnal Knowledge says:
    “Frankenfoot….some ammo for your battle here: David Lee Roth’s last two albums had 26 out of 29 covers. Lots of creativity there, huh?”

    Do you really want to associate yourself with this dickhead? He’s probably the biggest Van Halen hater we’ve ever come across. And next time do your homework.

    Carnal Knowledge says:
    “At least SPAMMY (insert sarcasm) is still writing his own stuff. Recycling is for bands like…..well, Jimmy Buffet. Odd, huh?”

    Someone please make him stop. We can’t take anymore of this conveyor belt of mediocrity.

  • Halen High

    dan slaughter says:
    “@Carnal Knowledge….I agree with you on a lot of things….look it up…Hagar did have a platinum record in VOA….Hagar did headline arenas from 1981 to 1985…so to all who doubt it..check you facts.”

    And don’t forget Van Hagar sold 80 million albums.

  • Adam

    Dan Slaughter,

    I absolutely do acknowledge Van Halen’s success from 1986-1995. They were HUGELY successful with Hagar, and I absolutely LOVED the band that entire time. They have always been my favorite band. I think that 5150, OU812 & FUCK were masterpieces, but then Balance was, in my not-so-humble opinion, half killer & half leftovers.

    Sometimes when I am trying to dispel “facts” that aren’t true, I might seem as a “one-sided” fan, but I’m not.

    I also get really annoyed at people on the other end of the singer battle, such as Roth_Leaps & Halen High, who try to rewrite history as the Hagar-era being a lot less amazing, fun, and successful than it really was. While I appreciate and share their love for the Dave-era, I feel they are truly unfair and wrong about the Sammy-Era.

  • Roth_Leaps_83

    @ Lupercal —-

    “Leaps, you really can’t rag on the guy for going to the 2004 tour if you went to the 2007 tour too – they were both “reunions” and both relied heavily on the material that was made in the time of that singer. Obviously one was a lot better than the other, but they were both “nostalgia” tours, lets not pretend that the 2007 tour was leaning on any new material.”

    That’s exactly my point.

    This blatant Hagar apologist Frankenfoot says he declined seeing the 2007 tour because it was a “novelty act”, but yet admits to going to a 2004 Van Hagar reunion show where only 1 or 2 awful new songs were played. It’s the pot calling the kettle black. Dave and Eddie never made any pronouncements of new music being played on the 2007-08 tour, and that was fine with us because we just wanted to hear all those great Roth-era tunes again with Dave singing and Eddie playing.

    “And for the record I don’t think Sammy has any yearning to go to Australia. If what I’ve heard is right, they don’t really know who the hell he is down there. Hence why they never went there with him.”

    That’s exactly my point as well. This idiot Frankenfoot seems to think Van Halen is the reason the Soundwave Festival failed, when in reality VH is the only reason it had a fighting chance to begin with! VH wasnt in charge of promotion or getting Aerosmith on the bill. Sounds like more desperate crybaby stuff coming from a defeated Hagar lover.

    I agree with you that Sammy is not well liked in Australia. Chickenfoot would have trouble giving away tickets to a pub tour, whereas the mighty Halen will easily sell out their venues when they tour there in 2012.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P1d8BVvY-I 5150

    I am a CVH fan. I do love VH w/Sam and Gary as well. But, I perfer VH w/Dave. But, I am about to piss off some of my pals with this statement..that’s ok. Say what you want. In comparing “Post-VH Dave” to “Post-VH Sam” I gotta go with Sam. Dave’s career shot down after Skyscraper. Proof that most music-buyers perfered Dave with a good band. While Dave’s career was in shambles, it’s Sammy that came to his rescue. He rejuvinated Dave’s career with the Sam and Dave tour. I think that was Sam’s plot to cripple VH or a VH w/dave reunion at that time. I believe in the conspiracy that Sammy (still) tries his best to cripple VH and their reputation. Freddygirl is correct. That’s why many fans hold a grudge against Sammy. I don’t blame them.

  • 1218

    @ Adam “I also get really annoyed at people on the other end of the singer battle, such as Roth_Leaps & Halen High, who try to rewrite history as the Hagar-era being a lot less amazing, fun, and successful than it really was. While I appreciate and share their love for the Dave-era, I feel they truly are unfair to and wrong about the Sammy-Era.”
    Way to post Adam. I couldn’t agree with you more. By the way, wasn’t this article about 1984, not Sammy vs. Dave?

  • Frankenfoot the Dumbo

    I’m not comparing the nostalgia of 2004 to the nostalgia of 2007. Sounds like EVH actually sobered up a little and could play some tunes on the 2007 comeback, except for Jump of course, during an encore.

    EVH’s performance was so blah and unremarkable in 2004, I decided the money wasn’t worth the effort. I really want the guy to succeed. Who doesn’t?

    To tour on back-to-back nostalgia acts for the sake of money, given the fact that 2004 was so bad, seemed greedy.

    Why doesn’t anybody address the idea that Dave has completely sold-out? Why didn’t he ask for Mikey back, seeing as his vocals aren’t as strong as they used to be? Doesn’t seem like Mike or Sammy suffer from those problems.

    If it wasn’t for this site…we would have nothing on VH. Just check out their website…

    I don’t distinguish between two periods with the band. Many of you are painting I’ll Wait as this great rock song, and I think the single broke the top 20. I thought it was Dave trying to do When It’s Love…

    Really…I could care less. Got me some teasers of the Foot with some great musicians that are fun.

    I really wish Dave could come out and say something, but we know who’s running the show. He has SOLD OUT, like many of the shows from 2007-2008…but not 2011 :)

  • Wilkster5150

    1. 1984 is the best album of that year.
    2. Ed an Al need to wind up Dave and let him go. The man is a PR genius.
    3. Sam is insecure, jealous, unoriginal, truth stretcher, outright liar at times, a peddler of rather pedestrian rock unless he has Ed an Al backing him up, and cant help but stick his foot in his mouth when constantly slagging VH because his ego wont tell him to shut up.
    4. All VH albums have times of musical genius in them.
    5. The ENTIRE CVH six-pack have nothing but musical genius, from the first track to the last. Pure rock perfection.

    That is all.
    Cheers fellow fanatics.

  • Halen High

    Adam – No one is re-writing history – it’s simply fans giving their opinion on the Van Hagar era – and we should be free to do so. The problem is, some people do not want to hear the obvious – that being the Van Hagar era is widely viewed as representing the creative decline of this band, with a replacement member who displayed no respect for what came before him. If you can mount an argument to refute this, with a mountain of opinion that states otherwise – I’m happy to discuss.

    1218 – yes this thread was about ’1984′. A CVH hater then started bashing the album and talking about Hagar – so fans responded in kind.

  • http://www.vhnd.com garrett horsch

    hey i just got done voting so all you vh fans who havnt all yall need to represent for the greatest band ever and you dont have to have like twitter none of that bullshit just click on the vote here sign by the album and it goes to guitar world then you look at the left side and the voting pool is there after you vote it shows the percentage of vote were in third vote motha fuckers

  • Roth_Leaps_83

    @ Franken-Dumbo —-

    “EVH’s performance was so blah and unremarkable in 2004, I decided the money wasn’t worth the effort. I really want the guy to succeed. Who doesn’t?”

    Once again, your deluded Hagarist mind can’t see things objectively. Check out any videos from the 2004 tour and you will see a flabby-bellied singer looking quite pathetic in Ronald McDonald pajamas and do-rag and signing autographs in the front row while he’s half-assing the vocal duties. But somehow, you wanna put all the blame on Eddie for that tour being a disgrace? Pure Hagar apologism.

    “To tour on back-to-back nostalgia acts for the sake of money, given the fact that 2004 was so bad, seemed greedy.”

    I agree the 2004 Van Hagar nostalgia tour was a pure money-grab, considering that neither Sammy or Eddie were putting much effort into their performances. OTOH, the 2007-2008 reunion tour with Dave was something VH fans desperately wanted for 23 years and we were treated to solid performances by the whole band. You dont gross $93 million being shitty musicians.

    “Why doesn’t anybody address the idea that Dave has completely sold-out? Why didn’t he ask for Mikey back, seeing as his vocals aren’t as strong as they used to be? Doesn’t seem like Mike or Sammy suffer from those problems.”

    Once again, your Hagarist sheep mind distorts the meaning of “sold out” to whatever delusions you want to nurture. Dave is back in Van Halen, but that doesnt give him totalitarian control of the band. As much as I want that to happen, VH is Eddie’s band these days and we just have to deal with it. I would argue that Sammy “sold out” in 2004 when he desperately begged Eddie to do a quick money-grab tour even though Hagar admitted himself that Eddie was in no shape to do it. Hagar only sees dollar signs when it comes to his music — that is the purest definition of “sold out”.

    “Really…I could care less. Got me some teasers of the Foot with some great musicians that are fun.”

    Fun? We call them BORING. But like I said before — you live inside your delusions, dumbo. Pathetic and sad.

  • Wilkster5150

    @Halen High
    Props to you sir for the ease with which you shoot down these CVH haters that permeate this great site.
    Cheers

  • dan slaughter

    I have a GUITAR WORLD interview where Eddie says Roth use to talk shit on Hagar way back in the late 70′s. Eddie also says Sammy didn’t start with Dave slagging until Roth hurled insults in the press in 86. There was an attempt by Warner Bros and T.T. to replace Dave with Sammy back when the band was first signed. Anybody who wants a copy give me your fax number. I think both dudes had jealous issues with the other at one time or another. And to comment on Hagar’s greed….Eddie always maintained that was Sammy’s only motive for working on HUMANS BEING…..money. Hagar did own the travel agency that VH used while he was in the band….you think he wouldn’t charge his own bandmates.

  • Halen High

    Hey Wilkster5150 – thanks mate. I actually like chatting with most of the Van Hagar fans here, as I also own all the albums and continued to follow the band through all their eras. It’s just the CVH haters that I can’t stand!

  • freddiegirl

    Wilkster5150-Halen High rocks.. :)

  • Lupercal

    Ah, 1984…the final year before all this bullshit began. Must’ve been fucking bliss!

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    They’re will always be two seperate camps when it comes to VH….get over it “kumbaya’s”. I’ve tried many times to understand and respect some of the views and feelings of the “Van Hagar” crowd, but many just completely turn me off.
    How anyone can claim to be a huge vh fan but state they “grew up” when they stopped listening to the roth era is pathetic. This is usually the “reason” givin’ to make themselves feel like they matured once they heard sam take over the helm. Sounds more like a bunch of fuckin’ yuppies to me. CVH fans have been there since day one folks. Many here saw the band when they were first starting off in clubs, and witnessed that spark that was just about to set the world on fire. THESE are the “fans” that should get that “nod” and “respect” for their commitment to a band that truly changed rock music forever. Not the so called fans that say they love classic van halen but shit on the legacy at any chance with half assed comments about it. I’m sick of hearing that same ol’ “cant we all get along” song cause it aint gonna happen….and thats fine by me!

    “Much respect” to those sam fans that “get it”, I truly mean that….rock on!

  • Carnal Knowledge

    Freddiegirl. You POV is respected, and admirable. You can admit fault in your favorite person in the world. So can I. See, thing is, we don’t really know what the hell happened about Soundwave. We’re TOLD that Aerosmith backed out. But, that was only one band….do we REALLY know what happened? I think Sammy was just referencing history, is all….

    Should he have said it? No. Should he just leave it alone? Yes. But, as I see it, he’s not holding press conferences. People are ASKING him. If he starts saying “no comment”, the only people he’s pleasing are Van Halen fans.

    And, being that he was lead singer for longer than anyone else in the band, I think he has a right to speak his mind.

    Just my opinion. Besides, you can probably tell by now that the only time my panties get twisted is when these megaphone soapbox Roth Army people start yelling.

    It makes me say things like this: If Roth is/was so great, then why is he dormant?

    In other words, I wish a couple people in this forum would put down their megaphones change out of their assless chaps, and get off their soapboxes.

    And, for the last time, we all know Sammy was fat in 2004. We all know he gets out of shape from time to time. We know, we know, we know……..

  • Carnal Knowledge

    And, one last thing: Leaps. You’re purely an asshole. Grow up.

  • Carnal Knowledge

    Adam: Look up “Strummin with the Devil” before you start lobbing obscenities my way meatbag

  • freddiegirl

    Dirty Duck-I agree. I’m always happy when either CVH fans or Van Hagar fans can see another POV even if they don’t necessarily agree with it. Rock on!

    CK-I hear ya. But I will say the interview I saw Hagar just mentioned it on his own. I could be wrong though and will look it up later and see if that’s the case. I do agree with you that Sam has the right to speak his opinion if asked even about Dave’s departure but I think he really isn’t a good judge of what happened between Roth and the Brothers as he wasn’t there and doesn’t really know. He knows about what happened between himself and the brother and that’s what he he should stick to. Remember I was one of the few CVH fans on here that wasn’t all that bothered by what Sam said in his book. I can see how it would look like he just trashed EVH but it was just a chapter or so and he didn’t say anything that wasn’t obvious. He certainly didn’t say anything that Yoko Ono..I mean Valerie said.. ;) At the end of the day I just wish VH would put their new album out and shut everyone up and rock, ya know?

    Lastly; you and I both know that Roth, as awesome as he is is under some sort of awful gag order for better or worse; that has nothing to do with how great he was/is. I love that Dave’s back and just hope that the album and tour rocks for everybodies sake.

  • Gov13

    Carnal Knowledge,

    Calling someone a “meatbag”? Nice. Way to add to the intelligent discussion here.

    Sounds like you think “Strummin with the Devil” is a DLR album? ha.

    Umm, it’s not.

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    Dan Slaughter:

    Good point, but lets be honest here: Sam has done nothing to better that situation for himself or for many VH fans. He doesnt know when to stop man. Last week their were “17″ articles re; him blasting VH! Even going as far as calling VH “a joke”. He’s like the dr. jekyll and mr. hyde of rock man. One min he says he wants the band to succeed for the fans, but then kills that credibility by bashing and making constant false statments about band info he knows nothing about. If you care about the vh fans so much why make statements like: “vh will never make an album with roth. It aint gonna happen. I hear rumors that dave and eddie are having problems. Wolfie and dave dont get along.” ? ? ? ?
    WTF SAM!? He doesnt know that for sure! Why put that in black and white if you have no REAL source? Thats someone who cares about the fans!? When he first joined VH he refused to acknowledge the roots of the band in general and on stage, now its 30 years later and he pulls the same shit thru the press. Explain that one!

  • Frankenfoot the Dumbo

    Lupercal,

    Very well documented that EVH couldn’t stand the band by Fair Warning…

  • Johnny the Boy

    I’m sorry to do this, but with NO new Van Halen articles, I’m forced to put this here. I don’t know who will read this, but I just had to write it!

    I have backed and defended VH to all of my friends and family for years. “Why do they do this?” What’s going on with those guys?” What happened to the bass player?” “Are they done?” And I’ve defended mightily.

    And I’ve been patiently waiting for news of a “new” album with the rest of you for years now. Nothing. Then this morning I see a thing on MSN ‘The Fall’s most awaited albums” or something like that. There are 38 artists listed that have new albums coming out this fall. 38!!!!!!!!! Van Halen is not one of them. It is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. If there is an album coming , why not just F’n say something already?! This is just STUPID at this point.

    People want to promote VH. There are opportunities to promote VH. They are just too lame to take them. This whole “walking on egg shells thing” is too 1996. Issue a statement already!!!! “Are Dave and Eddie getting along?” Who gives a sh#t!! As a fan, this situation is just too excrutiating for words.

    There is just no defense for the silence. I’ve seem arguments on this site “VH is just playing it “old school.” That’s absolute crap. They are just too self absorbed to care about the fans in my opinion. The only one who does is Dave, and he has been bound and gagged for years now. This isn’t 1984 anymore. Keep up the silence and no one will care if this album finally comes.

    In my mind, the ultimate party band has turned out the lights and gone to bed.

    Hope a new album comes out sometime, but I’m tired of waiting in the dark. Sorry for the rant, just couldn’t bottle it up anymore.

  • Frankenfoot the Dumbo

    Roth_Weeps…

    New music from the Foot. I like the video 2.

    Roth_Weeps—-I like both eras. Listen to both. I can’t believe Satch brought in his son to play drums. Check out the video.

    Yours Truly,

    Dumbo

  • Halen High

    freddiegirl says:
    “Lastly; you and I both know that Roth, as awesome as he is is under some sort of awful gag order for better or worse; that has nothing to do with how great he was/is. I love that Dave’s back and just hope that the album and tour rocks for everybodies sake.”

    I think Dave has gagged himself – mindful of the sensitivities involved. It is strange though – to not have heard from him for so long. I’m starting to think that we may have a ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’ scenario :)

  • Halen High

    dan slaughter says:
    “I have a GUITAR WORLD interview where Eddie says Roth use to talk shit on Hagar way back in the late 70?s…There was an attempt by Warner Bros and T.T. to replace Dave with Sammy back when the band was first signed. ”

    Dave probably did – but so did others. Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley also trashed Sammy back in the day. In the late 70s, Van Halen was a young cocky band who knew they could blow anyone off the stage – particularly an act like Sammy Hagar who had nothing approaching their material, energy on stage or appeal to the kids.

    I remember this interview and the context in which it was given. It was nothing but pure propoganda, put out there to create the impression Van Halen was ‘better off’ with Sammy. This kind of rubbish from Eddie, Alex and Mike went on for years and eventually Sammy joined in. They were treating Van Halen fans like mushrooms – we all knew it was nonsense – allowing their petty angst towards Dave to get the better of them.

  • RICH

    Wow. Really? Stryper? I’d vote for anybody on the list except for Stryper. This poll is a JOKE.