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Q&A with Sammy Hagar autobiography author Joel Selvin

Examiner.com conducted a rare interview with Joel Selvin, the author of Sammy Hagar’s bestselling autobiography, Red: My Uncensored Life in Rock. Excerpts are below.

One milestone that Sammy’s always stood by—and it appears again in Red—that I’ve always been confused by is his insistence that he sold more records with Van Halen than David Lee Roth, but an RIAA search reveals that, as of 2004, Roth’s era of recordings has outsold Sammy’s by a nearly 2:1 margin, 34 million vs. 18 million. Where is Sammy getting his data from?

I’m not informed on the sales issues.

Have you read David Lee Roth’s 1997 memoir, Crazy from the Heat? Did that play any part in how you did or didn’t want to approach telling Sammy’s story?

I read ‘em all, but Sammy isn’t very interested in David Lee. I referred to a Van Halen biography, Everybody Wants Some, from time to time.

In your opinion, what were Dave’s greatest strengths and weaknesses as a member of Van Halen? How about Sammy’s?

No comment on Dave—no knowledge. Sammy obviously drove that band to some very fine musical and commercial peaks.

Even in the book, it’s still unclear as to whether Sammy was fired from Van Halen or left on his own accord in 1996. What’s the truth?

Funny word, truth. Sammy has his story. The Van Halens have theirs. Nobody seems to have the whole story. Ever see Rashomon?

Sammy also reveals a keen mind for business, opening celebrated bicycle shops, a travel agency, and of course his south of the border-themed tequila brand and restaurants. Do you think Jimmy Buffett had more of an influence on him with the latter two than Sammy lets on in the book? Do you know if he’s ever heard from Buffett about this?

Jimmy Buffett wishes he thought of the tequila first.

  • http://vhnd chuckie lee

    jeremy, you may not be a moron… but you portray one flawlessly in ur mindless word drool posts of hatred towards leaps. he is furious with the complete and utter lies that hager spreads about all of his make believe accomplishments. i for one am not as upset about all the lies spewed by capri pants boy, but he certainly bothers me alot. and i do enjoy leaps taking on all the hager wanna believers. until people can understand that rock loyalties run very deep, like sports rivalries,and sports teams fans and people get extremely emotionally involved, its how it is. deal with it, or dont.. it aint gonna change..people love their teams and people love their bands it borders on hatred. for goodness sake west coast rappers vs east coast rappers, look what happened to tupac and biggie. at least no one is threatening to shoot anyone, that i know of in this forum.. so, i am most certainly not a moron, you on the other hand, who knows.. not my business, not my problem… you see DAVE is in the band, all is good in my little corner of the universe… eat em and smile baby…

  • redarrow5150

    I love how you all are saying Sammy is a liar when you weren’t even there to experience it first hand. To efffing funny.

  • joel

    Blah blah blah……..its all just mental masturbation. I can’t wait to read the inside cover of a NEW VH CD!!!

  • Halen High

    redarrow5150 says:
    “I love how you all are saying Sammy is a liar when you weren’t even there to experience it first hand. To efffing funny.”

    Sammy’s struggles with telling the truth have been identified and discussed for years. Ironically, his own book has become the greatest example of this.

    I certainly don’t hate him for it, but his book and promtional tour have revealed a very bitter and insecure person.

  • freddiegirl

    Halen High and VH4…thanks! I’ll go with both of your answers; sounds logical to me… ;) You may be right; after the success of ‘Jump’ Dave may have thought to replicate and yes, I’ve always believed ‘Damn Good’ was a shout out to Ed and Al…especially Al, weren’t they besties at one point?

    Halen High..I have heard the Bowie/Jagger version of ‘Dancin’ in the Streets’ and it’s very good but it lacks one important element; Eddie’s awesome guitar playing.. ;) So the VH ones edges that one a wee bit for me.

    Interesting point; FW was Ed’s album…perhaps the success of ‘Jump’ also influenced his later songwriting? Just a thought.. :)

  • MasVH

    It’s hard to come off as a colossal d-bag in a question & answer session yet Joel Selvin manages to do this with ease in this lame interview. This guy sounds like he’s on trial with some of his uninformative, bullshit answers.

  • Jeremy(Roth_Leaps_83 Bullshit Detector)

    Chuckie Lee,

    I take exception to guys like Leaps just as Leaps and others like you take exception to what Sammy is saying may be lies or truth. We, the fans as you have stated are and weren’t there in this band to know what really went down. To come on a Sammy thread, not CVH or anything Roth and to sit here and express a tirade over a guy who is no longer in the band is stupid. Roth is back and that’s cool by me. If Sammy was in, cool to or even Gary again. The issue at hand is the 2 guys who are named Van Halen and they forgot what is important and that’s to make music. Al and Ed for years have used the excuse of “work ethic” about Sammy and Dave, but yet haven’t delivered in how long?

    See some say Sammy is riding his time in Van Halen with his new book and sure he has a right to, to a point, BUT as a fan, it’s his right just as it was Dave’s to, but Dave took it to far with a bluegrass album and a Vegas show act. I don’t comment much on here about some of the threads the VHND posts, but if you or others are going to say it’s okay for Leaps to be a “hardcore” and “loyal” fan and have his right to defend Dave, he needs and as well as others to do it on a Dave thread where he is getting bashed. As I’ve said to Leaps, show me ONE thread the VHND posted where this happens. It has nothing to do with who is better, it just shows some on here are flat out retarded and downright ignorant.

    This is good “jeremy, you may not be a moron… but you portray one flawlessly in ur mindless word drool posts of hatred towards leaps. he is furious with the complete and utter lies that hager spreads about all of his make believe accomplishments”

    So your telling me it’s okay for Leaps OR yourself to do the same, when all of a sudden you guys are the Sammy Hagar truth police and you will brand the CVH justice on him by coming onto the VHND to do it? Look my fellow poster, you can’t be a hypocrite and say one thing and do another. Leaps is one of those fans who can’t let go of an era that was 78-85. Do you sit at home and remember that first girl who gave you ass that was better than what you get now and wish you could go back to her? Last time I checked, Dave is back so what’s the problem? Van Halen, the band, has lied to all us for the past 33 years. Are we still fans? Yep and as the ole song goes here on the VHND “I live with Fools!”

    @Halenhigh,

    I to read that interview and Eddie was bummed and should’ve been, but he did just fine after Dave. I don’t agree with Sammy at times bashing CVH, but I also see why he does. He is and was going to be compared to Dave and what Dave did and he is only human. If your wife or girlfriend had an ex who had a 12 inch penis and always talked about it or compared yours to his, you would get tired of it to wouldn’t ya? But he wrote a book, it had his time in Van Halen, truth or lies, and it’s selling good. I mean do you really think Sammy Hagar gives 2 shits what we say on the VHND about him or anything he does? Hell no and it’s all good.

  • redarrow5150

    Halen High:

    Sammy struggles with the truth for years have been discussed? Really? Where and what articles and please post a link to these “discussions” other than this area we are in. His book is in recollection not yours or others so again I find it hilarious how people either know the truth or he’s lying. Sammy is insecure and bitter? Have you read the book? If there’s one thing Hagar is NOT is insecure. LMAO.

  • Jimmy G

    C’mon, is the guy that did that interviewed Sammy like 18 years old or something? Why are you wasting this guy’s time? “In your opinion, what were Dave’s greatest strengths and weaknesses as a member of Van Halen? How about Sammy’s?”

    Did you pull this one from your job interviewing questions 101 book? Like it or not, this guy wrote a best selling book, and you play junior cub reporter with a Dave pledge pin on your chest? Of course he’s going to be short with you, dumbass.

    What a waste of a good opportunity to get some real answers.

  • gamby5150

    your looking for answers to questions that will never be answered .. the only person capable of telling a complete story is michael anthony and i dont see it happening anytime soon .. im sure ed and al are getting a good laugh from all this no nonsense drama …… they are in no rush to put out music …. enjoy what you have fans …..

  • http://vhnd chuckie lee

    jeremy, you still are not getting it… (but you have started to tone down the name calling, alittle.. but alittle aint enough, keep workin on it..)your boy just wrote a book and slandered eddie al and any1 who doesnt go along with his warped sense of dillusional reality. you keep bringing up different points that have nothing to do with what leaps and adam are bringing to the forefront of the hager is a demented liar angle. 4get for a minute that the real VH are about to release an album and go out on tour, (fingers crossed),if VH never makes a new record i am still more than happy with what they have already done, minus the journey era and the charone debacle… next, every1 has the right to post anywhere, anytime, anything they want. hager thread, VH thread, ROTH thread or any thread. deal with it, you aint gonna change it by whining about it. but if you are gonna post, be accurate or expect to called out on it one way or another..if ROTH was in the spot capri pants is in and lied about ur boy, ALL OF THE HAGER PEEPS would be screamin 4 murder. they do it now, and the facts are right in front of them, (you). the denial is still spreading like a virus.. every 1 i am sure on either side of the aisle is loyal, but the truth is the truth. how would kobe bryant or laker fans feel about kevin garnett and all the celtics fans flyin a flag outside the boston garden with a 2010 nba championship flag… they would be like, what the f_ck at first then get pissed…point made…good…..thats why leaps is pissed…hager police, comon i hope ur better than that..no justice just get somthin right… ANYTHING right….stop hiding behind your finger, and say that i am in any way contradicting myself.. i most certainly do not..so in closing,.. once i banged i dont go back..got it…good… remember in my little corner of the universe all is well, DLR is fronting the greatest band in the world again , EAT EM AND SMILE BABY…

  • gamby5150

    they could fly the flag all they want . the important thing is who is holding the trophy and wearing the ring ….

  • Halen High

    redarrow5150 says:
    “Sammy struggles with the truth for years have been discussed? Really? Where and what articles and please post a link to these “discussions” other than this area we are in.”

    Fans have been discussing this in various forums for years – this is no revelation. Although some choose to pretend otherwise.

    redarrow5150 says:
    “I find it hilarious how people either know the truth or he’s lying.”

    Check Adam’s posts here for the best wrap up of this.

    redarrow5150 says:
    “Have you read the book? If there’s one thing Hagar is NOT is insecure. LMAO.”

    I’m sure he’s not insecure about a lot of things in life. But his insecurity regarding his place in VH is obvious to anyone who has followed the band.

    His best buddy Mike has even talked about how intimidated Sammy is by the CVH era. On August 6, 1996, Mike talked with the Dutch 5150 Fan Club about the release of BOV1. In the interview he said, “I think he was a little intimidated, being on the same album with songs with Roth. I think he was always a little intimidated by that. People always want us to do the older material. And he didn’t want to do it.” (This was published on the VHND. It may still be in the archives section – where I got it from years ago).

    Alex and Eddie have also talked about his insecurities regarding CVH/Dave in interviews after they fired him, describing him as acting like “the second wife”, or something like that. It’s just accepted among VH fans that this is how Sammy is – it doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.

    And after years of reading/hearing interviews with him – again – it’s obvious.

  • halenhagar

    What, all you classic VH fans keep on talking like you know Roth or Eddie.
    But when push comes to shove, Van halen is no different than other bands:
    Bad Company, Journey, Black Sabbath, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Judist Priest, Genesis, Alice In Chains, Iron Maiden, Rainbow, Deep Purple, Styx, and .38 Special.
    All went through lead singer changes and all had more success with the incarnation than the original, but all had fans that hated the replacement for the original.
    Sammy was there to keep Van Halen from disaperring into oblivion, back in 1985. Just thing we would have had no Van Halen at all???????

  • Adam

    halenhagar said:
    “All went through lead singer changes and all had more success with the incarnation than the original, but all had fans that hated the replacement for the original.”

    Well, in Van Halen’s case, they were LESS successful with Sammy, but maybe you’re right about those other bands you listed going on to be more successful…

    halenhagar also said:
    “Sammy was there to keep Van Halen from disaperring into oblivion, back in 1985. Just thing we would have had no Van Halen at all?”

    Well, sure, when VH hired Sammy they then had a replacement singer, so they carried on. But here’s a question for everyone who says “Sammy SAVED Van Halen!”…why are you all assuming that if VH DIDN’T hire Sammy they would have hired NO ONE and then just ceased to exist somehow? Why would anyone think that?

    If Eddie Van Halen made a public statement in ’85 that said “We are gonna ask Sammy Hagar to be our new singer, but if Sammy says declines our offer, then we will retire forever.”… IF, and only IF that was the case, THEN you could say “Sammy saved Van Halen”. LOL!

    What would have happened if VH hadn’t of hired Sammy? I bet you….[drumroll]…they would have hired another singer! lol. They were arguably the biggest rock band in the country, and possibly in the world at that time. Van Halen’s momentum was unstoppable. They would have had to make a REALLY poor choice on a new singer for the band not to continue on as a very successful band. Sammy was “Good Enough” for them to go on and still be very successful (just not quite as big) as they were with the original singer. So, for that at least, we are lucky. But we will never know how they successful they would have been with anyone else. Of course there were other singers who would have done just as well as Sammy.

    Anyone who says “Sammy saved VH” for ANY reason is not really correct. Sure, there are lots of people who liked them better with Sammy, but he sure as heck didn’t “save” VH.

    Ed, Al, Mike, & Dave MADE Van Halen. Created it from scratch. It’s infinitely harder to MAKE something and build it from NOTHING than to walk into the biggest rock band in the country and sing on their next album and for it to sell millions of copies, just like all their other albums did. The band was totally and completely established by then. They were on TOP.

    Put it this way, think of several singers that you think are worse than Sammy Hagar. If VH had picked anyone of those singers in ’85, 5150 would have still sold millions. There was practically no way that it wouldn’t have.

    I mean, my God, 5150 sold MILLIONS less than 1984. Several million less. So, the new singer didn’t work out as good, but he was good enough to keep things going, but (in many people’s minds) some of the magic that made them SO much better than the other bands was sadly lost.

  • redarrow5150

    edarrow5150 says:
    “Sammy struggles with the truth for years have been discussed? Really? Where and what articles and please post a link to these “discussions” other than this area we are in.”

    “Fans have been discussing this in various forums for years – this is no revelation. Although some choose to pretend otherwise.”

    Again I will ask for specifics. What has he lied about in the past before his book came out????

    redarrow5150 says:
    “I find it hilarious how people either know the truth or he’s lying.”

    Check Adam’s posts here for the best wrap up of this.

    Yeah I’ve checked Adam’s posts and he has a selective memory
    of what he has posted about the book.

    redarrow5150 says:
    “Have you read the book? If there’s one thing Hagar is NOT is insecure. LMAO.”

    I’m sure he’s not insecure about a lot of things in life. But his insecurity regarding his place in VH is obvious to anyone who has followed the band.

    His best buddy Mike has even talked about how intimidated Sammy is by the CVH era. On August 6, 1996, Mike talked with the Dutch 5150 Fan Club about the release of BOV1. In the interview he said, “I think he was a little intimidated, being on the same album with songs with Roth. I think he was always a little intimidated by that. People always want us to do the older material. And he didn’t want to do it.” (This was published on the VHND. It may still be in the archives section – where I got it from years ago).

    Of course he was intimidated. You are after all bringing in somebody new. Don’t think Wolfie was intimidated in taking Mikes spot on bass? By the way Sammy DID do old VH material with Jump, Panama and Ain’t Talking Bout Love. VH had more than enough material with Sammy solo and with him that they didn’t need to play the old classic stuff. Heck VH was so fucking hot with Sammy they played a lot of material on the tour in support of the album.

    Alex and Eddie have also talked about his insecurities regarding CVH/Dave in interviews after they fired him, describing him as acting like “the second wife”, or something like that. It’s just accepted among VH fans that this is how Sammy is – it doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.

    Insecurities? I think it’s pretty obvious that the financial man behind VH was Sammy. Alex & Ed ought to be thanking their lucky stars they were around Sammy enough to get a better grip of the business side of the music business. That’s what the problem was…Alex & Ed’s not understanding (nor being successful) outside the band….lest we forget why the Greatest Hits Albums were done? It wasn’t until Sammy left that Eddie really started generating more business opportunites from the music side. He had a few deals with Kramer & Peavy but nothing like he has today.

    And after years of reading/hearing interviews with him – again – it’s obvious.

  • Halen High

    halenhagar says:
    “What, all you classic VH fans keep on talking like you know Roth or Eddie.
    But when push comes to shove, Van halen is no different than other bands:
    Bad Company, Journey, Black Sabbath, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Judist Priest, Genesis, Alice In Chains, Iron Maiden, Rainbow, Deep Purple, Styx, and .38 Special.
    All went through lead singer changes and all had more success with the incarnation than the original.”

    First of all, as an Aussie I can 100% guarantee you that the original AC/DC is more highly regarded in terms of influence, creativity and position in rock n’ roll history than they were with the replacement singer, despite the great music they continued to make. The same with Black Sabbath. It’s not all about record sales.

    And it’s been long established that Van Halen were LESS successful with Hagar on any level.

    Adam says:
    “Ed, Al, Mike, & Dave MADE Van Halen. Created it from scratch. It’s infinitely harder to MAKE something and build it from NOTHING than to walk into the biggest rock band in the country and sing on their next album and for it to sell millions of copies, just like all their other albums did. The band was totally and completely established by then. They were on TOP.”

    Well said.

  • http://hubcapdave.blogspot.com HubcapDave

    Adam, I know you did a comprehensive breakdown on Sammy’s errors in his book, and you doubt the veracity of what he says. But what about what Mike Anthony had to say in the foreward?

    “Before Sammy showed up, we were all pretty devastated. It looked like the band had possibly come to the end after Dave left…..We figured we may have had our run. The label wasn’t very enthusiastic either. They didn’t even want us to continue to call the band Van Halen.”

    Maybe saying Sammy “saved” Van Halen is a little extreme, but who else really was out there that would have been a better fit? If the Cherone era taught us anything, it’s that you just can’t plug any old singer into that band and expect it to go. Maybe 5150 would still have been a platinum album, but I’d lay long odds that it wouldn’t have sold near what it has with anyone other than Sammy (it certainly wouldn’t be the same album!). As it stands now, it ranks second in album sales (behind VH and 1984 tied at first).

    When it comes to Dave vs. Sammy, the rhetoric get thick enough for me to put on hip boots before I come on the site. Both sides of the debate make some rather exaggerated claims. Calling Sammy the savior of Van Halen might be extreme, but I think you’d be hard pressed to have found another singer that clicked as well with the band as he did.

  • unchainedguitars

    As for Hagar, the guy is quickly being revealed as the fraud he is. His “facts” are usually fiction.
    David Lee Roth had THE voice for VH, he paid his dues & was HUGE in building that band up to the legends they quickly became.
    Dave made a grave error by bailing at the exact moment they had taken their fame to U2 style levels.
    Sammy jumped in right as they were crossing over in a massive way, he had no hand in any of the hard work that went on before that.

    He should be kissing Dave’s ass & writing him “thank you” cards, for leaving VH & allowing him to weasel his way in.

    Sammy seems to believe he made VH huge, but they already were.
    Throughout his book, it’s like, “Yeah, i took these guys to number one, i took them to another level…”
    No, Sammy.
    THEY took YOU to another level, make no mistake about it.

  • P.M.

    It seems to me, and I’m only speculating, that time has shown us that the DLR period of Van Halen was far superior to the Hagar period, and for many reasons, some of which have already been stated. Eddie’s creativity peaked during this period (and don’t give me the line about the induction of keyboards – I don’t care.) Fair Warning is easily their best album, although not their most popular. David was a far more vibrant prototypical frontman who redefined his generation with singers in much the same way as Eddie did with axers. Even Sammy admitted that he was heavily influenced by DLR at the time. Regardless of the debauchery, Van Halen was a much classier, less commercialized band with DLR. And let’s face it, DLR’s braggadocio just felt more natural then Hagar’s. When David screamed “I’m The One”, it was because he already knew it going in. Sammy was always trying to sell it, rather than be it. Hagar never came across as authentically cool. Van Halen was rawer, grittier, and more organic under Dave’s tenure. With Sammy it’s clear that the 80’s slick production took it’s toll and the songwriting became more and more hoakey.

  • halenhagar

    Listen this is suppose to be a fair and neutral website and thread, not an over zealous ClassicVanHalen.com beat up Sammy Hagar Van Halen fans site.
    Come on Sammy Hagar was just as much a part of Van Halen as Dave.
    Dave decided to split away from Van Halen he is the bad guy that thought “California Girls” and “Just a Gigolo” were bigger and better than Van Halen.
    Sammy and Van Halen were much more successful than Dave Van Halen and the record charts show that as in 4 #1 albums and a huge bunch of hit. Hey I like some of the older Van Halen but I really enjoyed the days of equality within the band once Sammy came on board feeling and musically.
    Van Halen was just so much fun with there Rock and Roll when Sammy came on board and you guys can criticize me all you want nothing will change that period!!!!!!!!

  • Halen High

    P.M. says:
    “It seems to me, and I’m only speculating, that time has shown us that the DLR period of Van Halen was far superior to the Hagar period, and for many reasons, some of which have already been stated. Eddie’s creativity peaked during this period (and don’t give me the line about the induction of keyboards – I don’t care.) Fair Warning is easily their best album, although not their most popular. David was a far more vibrant prototypical frontman who redefined his generation with singers in much the same way as Eddie did with axers. Even Sammy admitted that he was heavily influenced by DLR at the time. Regardless of the debauchery, Van Halen was a much classier, less commercialized band with DLR. And let’s face it, DLR’s braggadocio just felt more natural then Hagar’s. When David screamed “I’m The One”, it was because he already knew it going in. Sammy was always trying to sell it, rather than be it. Hagar never came across as authentically cool. Van Halen was rawer, grittier, and more organic under Dave’s tenure. With Sammy it’s clear that the 80’s slick production took it’s toll and the songwriting became more and more hoakey.”

    GREAT POST! I think you summed up the VERY different dynamics between CVH and Van Hagar perfectly.

  • Halen High

    halenhagar says:
    “Come on Sammy Hagar was just as much a part of Van Halen as Dave.”

    Nope – Sammy was only a substitute member like Wolf currently is – no one is as much a part of VH than Mike, Eddie, Dave and Alex.

    halenhagar says:
    “Sammy and Van Halen were much more successful than Dave Van Halen and the record charts show that as in 4 #1 albums and a huge bunch of hit.”

    Nope – check the official records. CVH outsold Van Hagar by about 2-1. And on a critical level, the many artists influenced by Van Halen only ever state that it was CVH or Roth-VH – never Sammy era. That is the true barometer of success.

    halenhagar says:
    “Hey I like some of the older Van Halen but I really enjoyed the days of equality within the band once Sammy came on board feeling and musically.”

    Good – I like some of the Sammy stuff also. It’s all about personal tastes.

  • http://vhnd chuckie lee

    hagerhalen, for this site to be neutral or fair there would need to be truth and fairness brought up in the discussions. since ur side never has any interest in reality, your side brings the lack of fairness and neutrality to this site…it may seem like a van halen beatdown on van hager lite to you, because this thread has been focused on all of the baseless hager claims to fame, and gross exaggerations, by him and his author buddy.. dave and eddie built van halen, ur guy did not. ur guy got a golden lottery ticket from howdy doody mountain and cashed it in.those 4 # 1 albums were outsold by 2 to 1 by the roth era version..nobody wants to change your oppinion, you and your like make for a very entertaining slap down…its to damn easy… you and your capri pants brethren just cant help urselves.. i cant tell if you just dont get it, or u get it and cant accept it, or that u r just so upset with the fact that in every catagory that is documented by all the reputable and official trackers (tours, album sales, # of fans, and the most telling are their counterparts), the hager version trails by quite a large margin.. so in a nutshell.. what are you guys on..

  • http://hubcapdave.blogspot.com HubcapDave

    Chuckle Lee, you are the pot calling the kettle black. Album sales aside (I have gone over that topic ad nauseum and don’t care to repeat it) there is ample evidence to show that Sammy tours were just as large as Dave tours. Don’t believe me? Go to Wikipedia and search Van Halen Concert Tours.

  • Halen High

    HubcapDave says:
    “there is ample evidence to show that Sammy tours were just as large as Dave tours. Don’t believe me? Go to Wikipedia and search Van Halen Concert Tours.”

    Don’t forget you must now include the 2004 tour as a part of the Van Hagar era – one of the most disastrous tours for any major band on record – with its appalling attendances and shocking press reviews. The average ticket sales ended up at about 50-60% of venue capacity (and worse – many of those capacities were already reduced with the stage brought forward and tarpaulin used to cover large portions of seating to limit costs).

    A stark contrast to the 2007/08 tour, when most shows were sold-out, with the rest averaging about 85-90% capacity.

  • http://hubcapdave.blogspot.com HubcapDave

    HalenHigh,

    Where are you getting your data?

    That aside, you can largely lay the blame for the 2004 Tour at Eddie’s feet. I saw the 2004 tour at the Oakland Coliseum. the stage didn’t take up that much of the arena floor and the place was sold out.

    Also, the tour grossed $55 million. That was good enough to be one of the top ten tours that year.

  • http://vhnd chuckie lee

    quite to the contrary hubcap…need to kick your misinterpreted point to the curb.. i was referring to the 04 vs 07-08 tour… since i have posted at least 3 times on this particular thread making it crystal clear to the great people of the van halendom, i would of thought i would not have to repeat it a 4th, or 5th time.. i guess i was wrong.. anyway, the 04 tour was a joke, i went to the worcester mass shows, both of em.. neither time was it even half filled. people were givin people tickets at the door and in the streets. it was the funniest thing i ever saw at a show. and dont start tryin to lie to yourself and ramble its cause eddie wasnt on, and people heard the rumours from previous shows. thats crap, people would come see eddie if he was in a comma. period end checkmate… the reason the tour didnt do well is wobblerita does not have following in vh that dave does…. period…. eat em and smile

  • Halen High

    HubcapDave says:
    “HalenHigh, Where are you getting your data?”

    Back in 2004, there was a lot of data published on the internet during the tour, and a lot of press highlighting the numbers. The tour certainly GROSSED a lot of money due to the large number of shows – but promoters got burned badly as they had over-estimated the interest and agreed to pay VH a huge GUARANTEED fee.

    HubcapDave says:
    “That aside, you can largely lay the blame for the 2004 Tour at Eddie’s feet. I saw the 2004 tour at the Oakland Coliseum. the stage didn’t take up that much of the arena floor and the place was sold out.”

    I agree to a point. Eddie’s attitude to touring with Sammy coupled with his mental state should have ensured that the tour never happened. But long before word got out about Eddie’s condition, the attendances were awful. For instance, here are a couple of their early shows in tour:

    Hershey Park Stadium: 11,345 attendance/21,572 capacity. HSBC Arena Buffalo: 7,596 attendance/15,573 capacity.

    The worst crowd figures were on September 24 when only 5,494 fans attended the 18,000 capacity Alltel Arena in Arkansas and on November 3 just 6,500 saw the band at the 18,000 capacity Bradley Centre in Milwaukee.

    Only four or five shows out of about 80 sold-out – so Oakland must have been one of them.

    The tour was always going to fail because of the general apathy to ‘reunion’ tours with replacement members. Here is how Entertainment Tonight reported the announcement on their website: “Finally, after so many years of anticipation we can at last announce to you that Van Halen will reunite with David Lee…………wait a minute…what’s this? Sammy Hagar?”

  • Houseofpain

    I feel sorry for the Van Halen brothers. They went from Dave to a guy who wears pajamas on stage. I lived through all this. I was 18 in 1984. Sammy Hagar was in no way even close to Van Halen in popularity.

    Hagar got the job because he was in a lot of ways the anti-Roth. Roth is cocky and sure of himself. At the time in 1986 I remember thinking I am glad this guy is out. But since reading Adam’s post and seeing interviews with Hagar and the Rock and Roll hall of fame thing. It is glaringly apparent, Van Halen went from a bad situation with Roth to worse with Hagar.

    Some people say what is all the fuss? Well all the fuss is all the hard work and dedication it takes to do what the Van Halen’s did. They achieved the American dream! And oh what a beautiful dream it was! If I had.a time machine I would go to the U.S. Festival in 1983 right now.

  • Halen High

    HubcapDave says:
    “That aside, you can largely lay the blame for the 2004 Tour at Eddie’s feet.”

    I forgot to mention those three crappy new songs on BOBW. Anyone hearing them would also have been put off from attending the 2004 tour. There was no way I was ever going to buy that CD anyway, but I did listen to the new songs on head-phones in a music store. I could not believe what I was hearing.

    So who was to blame for releasing them? Mostly Eddie. He wrote the music. But Sammy should have said “no way”. His lyrics were even worse than the music but he should have insisted Eddie offer up something better than that rubbish to announce the return of Van Hagar. Sammy has often lamented the fact that they didn’t finish an entire album. Thank God they didn’t.

    It’s a great pointer to how desperate Sammy was to be back in VH. In the end, all he did was help ruin the legacy of the Van Hagar era and further tarnish his own reputation.

  • Halen High

    HubcapDave says:
    “I saw the 2004 tour at the Oakland Coliseum. the stage didn’t take up that much of the arena floor and the place was sold out.”

    I assume this is the same venue? Here are the figures:
    Oakland Arena, Oakland, Calif. Aug. 13, 2004
    Attendance: 9,410/capacity: 14,186
    Gross sales: $803,522

    Maybe it looked packed because they brought the stage forward and reduced capacity?

    All the stats on 2004 attendances, published on various fan sites, I believe were sourced from Pollstar. I printed off a lot of them as well as about 50 press reviews, many of which contained attendance figures.

  • http://hubcapdave.blogspot.com HubcapDave

    Halen High, I stand corrected.

    The stage didn’t look like it was out from the end more than any other concert I’ve been to. I was down on the floor, so maybe I didn’t see what empty seats there might have been up in the rafters.

    I only heard one song from BOBW, It’s About Time. Something didn’t sound right about it. It didn’t sound like Van Halen. I know the Roth Army would say none of Sammy-era sounds like Van Halen, but that’s besides the point. There wasn’t the cohesiveness that their stuff used to have. Sammy sounded more like he was doing something from his solo work. Eddie sounded…a little off. It didn’t work for me.

  • http://hubcapdave.blogspot.com HubcapDave

    Just went and listened to the other two songs. Didn’t care much for Up For Breakfast, but Learning To See was pretty decent (if a little disjointed). That’s probably the heaviest distortion I’ve heard Eddie use.

  • Halen High

    HubcapDave says:
    “Halen High, I stand corrected.

    The stage didn’t look like it was out from the end more than any other concert I’ve been to. I was down on the floor, so maybe I didn’t see what empty seats there might have been up in the rafters.”

    I know what you mean. I went to see Def Leppard supported by Cheap Trick here in Adelaide a couple of years ago and I was down on the floor and near the stage. From where I was, the place looked packed until I started having a closer look and I noticed that compared to other shows at the same place, the floor space seemed to be more compressed and some sections up high in the dark were empty.

    I then realised they had brought the stage forward. I was amazed to find out that the venue was only about 50% sold for what turned out to be a great show (Def lep played a lot of their earlier harder stuff).

    HubcapDave says:
    “I only heard one song from BOBW, It’s About Time. Something didn’t sound right about it. It didn’t sound like Van Halen. I know the Roth Army would say none of Sammy-era sounds like Van Halen, but that’s besides the point. There wasn’t the cohesiveness that their stuff used to have. Sammy sounded more like he was doing something from his solo work. Eddie sounded…a little off. It didn’t work for me.”

    I can’t understand why Alex didn’t say something? Does he have no say? He had to be thinking, “Geez Eddie, this is crap. What about the stuff in the vaults?” For me, the bottom line is Eddie didn’t want to work with Sammy again and the whole thing was ‘forced’. That came across in the music and the tour. They should have left Van Hagar neatly packaged in its own era of ’86-’96 and moved on.

    Learning To See had some potential. But in my opinion, if they had to do Van Hagar again they should have done songs that were more signature ‘Van Hagar’.

  • http://vhnd chuckie lee

    little off topic, but here goes.. did you see where nikki sixx says he is dissapointed in the way hager bashed the band, in print, and that sixx said he never woulda gone that far. and he doesnt like listening to van halen when hager is singing… pretty interesting.. also, he was asked to join motley, pantera, velvet revolver, and aerosmith… we know he lies like a cheap worn out rug alot, and this certainly raises eyebrows.. i would love to hear what these bands have to say about this. imo i aint buyin it, do i know? no.. but i seriously doubt it… i think he is lying again.. just cant help it…

  • Halen High

    I have not heard the Nikki Sixx comments. But I’m not surprised.

  • Jeremy(Roth_Leaps_83 Bullshit Detector)

    Chuckie lee,

    Really????????

    You guys defend Van Halen like a turd pains a toilet, dirty and stinky!

    If for once you guys realized that bashing a guy who was asked to join a band and replace a guy who was at the time the biggest front man in the business, what would you do or how would you react? Being compared to someone or something works in 2 ways, either good or bad! And for someone who is on here posting on what’s right and what’s wrong, who are you to say which is right?

    Hagar is spelled Hagar, not Hager and as for me hiding behind a finger? Do a spell check and make yourself a little more credible on here. Sammy did his best to be in this band, it worked and it ended. As does this conversation!

  • Lord Sausage

    I’m a massive CVH fan. With Hagar it was lame non rock but he seemed an alright guy….ish. I also think EVH is a tosspot. His behaviour has constantly messed up VH, even tho his genius made them great. So i do have big respect for him, even tho he’s a nob. But the funny thing for me is that the Van Halens sacked Sammy for his lack of work ethic. Well what have they done for 15yrs. Practically fuck all. One shit album. Lets hope this new one comes out soon and fucking blows us all away. Which i think will happen. Van Halen are like Samson with DLR as Samson’s Hair.

  • Jeromo

    There’s a reason Selvin interviews are rare. I learned nothing from reading this. Selvin provides no insight, no real answers, and he’s not even funny.