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In defense of Van Hagar …

From the San Francisco Chronicle:

Believe me, I don’t want to be the one to defend Van Hagar. I’ve spent nearly five years building a peaceful community on this blog, only to throw it away faster than you can sing the chorus to “When It’s Love.” (Please don’t.)

But while you will never see a discussion of circumcision or breast-feeding on this so-called parenting blog, we do tackle music controversies. And I’d like to defend Van Hagar.

With each new piece of Van Halen news over the years — most recently a report that Van Halen is working on a new studio album with David Lee Roth — a new round of Hagar bashing emerges. Was the Van Halen era with Sammy Hagar as lead singer a downhill slide? Yes. But he’s not to blame.

My Chronicle colleague Joel Selvin wrote, in a review of the Van Hagar “5150″ tour in the mid-1980s, that Sammy Hagar ruined two bands when he joined Van Halen. (Hagar responded by giving out Selvin’s phone number to the crowd. I was 15 years old, and in attendance. I swear I didn’t call, Joel …) But looking with a quarter century of retrospect, I would argue that Hagar saved Van Halen. As you can tell by the song “Jump,” the band was headed in the wussy synthesizer-heavy direction come hell or high water. Shedding David Lee Roth and bringing in a new lead singer provided the clean break that was necessary to explore these murky waters.

And when the band was done, and the world gave its verdict on Van Hagar, Roth could return and all would be forgiven — with the mercenary Hagar, not the architect Van Halen, taking the blame for any post-”1984″ sins. During the last tour, Van Halen (with Eddie’s son on bass) was able to pretend like the latter half of the 1980s and most of the 1990s didn’t happen. That would have been impossible if Roth stayed in the band.

Hagar may have been the fall guy, but he wasn’t a phony. Van Halen got exactly what they hired — Hagar’s persona and style didn’t change when he joined Van Halen. Hagar didn’t force Eddie Van Halen behind the keyboard. Hagar wasn’t the one who cut Eddie’s hair. Hagar didn’t even write the most offensive songs. And he was never a habitual douchebag. In the history of Van Halen, only Michael Anthony (whose benevolence included thanking Van Halen III singer Gary Cherone during his Hall of Fame speech … and look how he was rewarded …) was a nicer guy.

Finally — and I’m bracing for your rebuttal — Van Hagar did make some very good music. The band had more than its share of near-apocalyptic missteps. (Start here.) But I’ll maintain that in the 13 or so years Hagar was a member, the band produced enough quality music for one very solid hard-rocking Van Halen album.

I have this playlist on my iPod, filed under “decent Van Hagar.”

1. Poundcake: I consider this the band’s attempt to apologize for the early Van Hagar years. After nearly a decade of love songs, Eddie pulls out some power tools and the lyrics appear to be entirely about a girl’s ass.

2. Best of Both Worlds: Alex Van Halen sounds like he’s in a retirement home, but Eddie and Sammy are definitely in sync here. The best song off the “5150″ album.

3. Finish What Ya Started: It’s a bit soft, but so were several Van Halen songs in the 1970s. The hook is great. This could easily be a Roth-era song.

4. Aftershock: Some of Eddie Van Halen’s best post-Roth guitar work. The song rocks pretty hard, and Hagar mostly stays out of the way.

5. Black and Blue: This is my favorite Van Hagar song. The relentless sincerity that marred the Van Hagar era is missing, and Van Halen sounds like a complete band.

6. Summer Nights: Strictly filler, but they had that on the older Van Halen albums, too.

7. Runaround: OK, the argument is starting to come apart here … . The first 1:06 of this song is good, and then it all falls to pieces. But you know what, I fast-forward past the chorus of “Dance the Night Away,” too.

8. 316: A harmless and short guitar interlude, named after the birthdate of Eddie’s son Wolfgang. It’s not “Eruption,” but neither was “Jump.”

9. 5150: I almost put “Why Can’t This Be Love” here, but figured I would lose the three people who are still with on my side. Alex Van Halen actually sounds like he’s trying on the title track “5150,” which almost never happened in the latter half of the 1980s. And the lyrics make absolutely no sense, which was always the safest route in the Van Hagar era.

Hate the Sammy Hagar years of Van Halen if you must. But don’t blame the man. Even if you didn’t like the music, he was more of an innocent bystander than an accessory to the crime.

PETER HARTLAUB is the pop culture critic at the San Francisco Chronicle and founder of this parenting blog, which admittedly sometimes has nothing to do with parenting. Follow him on Twitter at www.twitter.com/peterhartlaub. Your questions answered on VYou at www.vyou.com/peterhartlaub.

  • http://VHND HIKER MAN

    BIG BAD BILL IS A COOL SONG MIKEY.

  • Rack of What?

    Strung Out: You forgot Sammy Hagar’s I Never Said Goodbye w/Eddie playing bass

    Jack N Sam: “Because most people (fans) did not like them”

    Intersting bro. Those albums were selling more than anybody else’s albums at the time, but MOST people (fans) did not like them???

  • ersan5150

    Tastemakers, or “cultural fascist” of the 1990s made teenagers believe that listening to mood-boosting, upbeat rock was uncool. Mainstream media began trashing bands like Van Halen, Def Leppard, and Whitesnake. Thus the punk-rockish late 70s Van Halen era-became cool, and the post-1985 Van Halen became uncool. Van Halen would be over if they continued the Dave shtick after 1984. Eddie had already taken the music in a more musical direction. Then they gave the world three very special albums. And they became a band that could truly rival the greats. Just watch LWAN and the 1989 tour and you’ll see why no rock band past or present could match the performance of this band. Too bad it all had to end.

  • Dooley

    Approaching 200 posts !!

    Sam’s impact on VH’s history speaks for itself.

  • 51504VH

    A #1 album is a (Flavor of the Month) award. The “Suburbs” just had #1 album for 2010…does it really mean that it was the best album of 2010?

    “Jump” was the #1 song of ’84…was it really the best song of ’84…hell no!

    Look on a “Top 100 Rock song/album” list…why isn’t anything from Van Hagar on them…Van Halen is and the reason being is because they see how well they mature…Van Hagar is wine…Van Halen is fine wine.

  • kentcito

    Of course the song “I’ll Wait” sucks. It was co written with Michael McDonald! “If I have to listen to ‘yeah, Mo be there’ one more time…I’m gonna yeah mo burn this place to the ground.” –Paul Rudd, 40 Year Old Virgin.

  • littledreamer

    @ kentcito – LOL re ‘yeah, Mo be there’ one more time…’

    I admit in anonymity that I do like “I’ll Wait” but every time I listen to it, I wish the lyrics were different. Even though DLR also penned the lyrics, I can bet corny lines like “I’m coming straight for your heart” were not his contribution. As for the song, I like DLR’s bluesy vocals and especially the melancholy music which is a departure from most Roth VH songs.

  • Rack of What?

    Idiot: Hagar Sucks
    RoW: Why?
    Idiot: Because he does.
    RoW: That doesn’t explain it.
    Idiot: Because he sang love songs.
    RoW: So did Roth
    Idiot: Yeah, but those ones were cool.
    RoW: Oh, well, I guess that explains it……..

    It’s a neverending monkeyjerkfest. Hagar doesn’t suck. Roth doesn’t suck. Van Halen doesn’t suck. Van Hagar doesn’t suck. VHIII does suck!!

  • JACK N SAM

    Blitzman: Well said. I hate the drums on 5150. I thought the music was really good on that album and I liked how every song just jumped out – like different flavors of ice cream. Van Halen always sounded good live, but those 5150 songs sounded way, way better live, especially Good Enough, Get Up and the title track.

  • Dude

    Someday in the future people will finally realize that the band always was and always will be Eddie period. Without Eddie, Dave has no career and without Eddie, Sammy falls off the map 20 years ago.

  • JACK N SAM

    Rack of What I meant VH fans. Again, comparing albums sales of Van Hagar to Van Halen, not to other artists. No question the albums sold, but just not as much as when Dave was in the band. Which to me is an indicator that most Van Halen fans did not like (or did not prefer) the new music.

    I have been to rock shows where I did not buy the album. I remember seeing Queen on their Hot Space tour. The album did not sell well in the US. I went to see them because I wanted to see Brian May, but I didn’t like the album. In fact, I think I only ever bought their hits album. I think with Van Hagar a lot of people came to see Van Halen for Eddie and he is worth the price of admission – even just for his solos. So it’s like Styx playing “Babe”, when VH hits the notes for WCTBL, time to go for a beer.

  • pat h

    Shit happens with the best rock bands..Dave done his stuff but he thought he was van halen….Their is only one van halen and that is eddy.As for hagar he done van halen proud and himself…Ego’s take over then you all want to say im the man!
    As for the sacking of michael anthony…Nothing more than shocking as the backing vocals arent there no more…Lets see what the new dave stuff brings.

  • Steve K

    Since this discussion I put F.U.C.K in my cd player in my truck.Wow it brings back memories of 1991 the drums sound awesome unlike 5150.Van Halen gave us a good catalog of music even though we can’t relive the past Hagar era tunes will never be played by Roth the clown.And yes Roth is living on reputation only he struggled real hard last tour. He was never really great live.Steven Tyler is a real singer frontman by a long shot.And the only electronic drums that sounded good on a VH song was crossing over.

  • Kevin H

    Its so very simple.
    Sammy saved Van Halen. If Roth had stayed in the band Van Halen would have not have had a record contract in 1990, let alone have several number one albums, which I might add, they never had a number one with Roth. Look at Roth’s solo career, which faded with the 80s like all the other hair bands. I believe Vh would still be relevant today if EVH had not gone off the deep end and ruined them by attacking Sammy and ousting him. This is not to say I hated VH with Roth, far from it…I was there from day one. But Dave was more of a performer than a musician, and Sammy could out sing him any day. And its beyond me how anyone could be entertained by Roths same schtick he used over and over again..he even used it on the Sam and Dave tour…pathetic. He could never get beyond the 80s..and now he cant sing anymore…he just kind of rap/chants . Still I hope they actually complete this new album and do not implode…and I hope it doesnt suck. Even if it does suck, the Dave only crowd will say its great….

  • Perry Farrel

    “Everybody has their own opinion. Everybody has their own opinion”

    Mountain Song by Jane’s Addiction

  • freddiegirl

    Wow. So many of these posts just make me sad. I totally agree that Sammy saved VH when Dave left. And I agree that if Dave stayed they would’ve imploded. I hated Sam with all my being when he joined VH even though I bought 5150. I grew up as a person and matured and so did my musical tastes. So..even though I favor the Roth years I find more things to like about the Hagar VH era and like more songs now then I did when they were popular like ‘Black and Blue’, 5150 and several others. Still don’t like Dreams but that’s ok, I don’t care for Jump either. So…I can say that yes, the Hagar years produced some really awesome music.

    But…it still makes me sad that so many on here don’t care for Dave. I don’t believe he’s a one-trick pony and I’m so looking forward to this next album. Even if it’s the last thing they ever record the fact that the VH brothers are recording with Dave, the original singer that they slogged and worked so hard in the club scene with. Isn’t anyone here as excited about that as me? Anyone at all?

    If I were Ed, I’d never want to make new music again after reading so many negative comments on the various posts here. Personally I think we’re lucky that Wolf inspired him to record again.

  • Rack of What?

    JackSam: So, the basis of your point is that Roth Van Halen sold more than Sammy Van Halen.

    Well, they also did two more albums. Besides, it doesn’t matter. You either like the Hagar era or you don’t. The real question is why do some people on this site insist on stomping on the Hagar era? What does that solve?

    In my mind, the hardcore Roth venom is only setting those up for a fall if this coming album is another Halen flop

    Ask yourself this: Who, at that time, was better than Van Halen with Hagar?

  • CEO

    What a shame that so many people are anti Van Hagar. The band was different, but I’m always surprised at how many people “hate” the Sammy version. Really? You “hate” it? Why deprive yourself of 4 solid rock albums with several classic songs. I’m convinced that if Sammy started first, everyone would love that version the most. It’s a shame that more people couldn’t go “okay, it’s different but it’s still VH. Rock on.” Life is too short to have such harsh feelings about something so trivial.
    The Van Hagar years remind me of some great times in my life and I’ll always enjoy the music and be greatful that Sammy stepped in when Dave left.

  • No Mas Tony

    Rock on Freddiegirl! I’m totally with ya!

    Unfortunately, stories like this tend to get people bickering. I too, prefer the Dave years, but enjoyed the Sammy ones too. The idiots on here that think they’re defending Sammy by ripping apart Dave are “stoopid”. LOL. He is NOT just an entertainer, he is a really creative, bright dude; who also has experienced some amazing things in his life. As far as a singer, he has got a really bluesy soulful voice and some great range. Sure, in concert he may have an ‘off night’ here or there…but there are certain songs that he always nailed at concerts; “Runnin With the Devil”, “Unchained”, “Aint talkin bout Love” and “Ice Cream Man”; (IMO) all those songs sound great in concert footage from the last ‘reunion tour’. Those that say that he “lost his voice” shouldn’t base their opinions on one or two performances. In the studio especially, like on his DIAMOND DAVE album from a couple years back. He sounds great!

    Of course, I don’t take offense to anybody that hates Hagar, or hates Roth… just be honest about the facts. This dude on here saying Roth would’ve ruined the group if he stayed in— WTF?! Ya know, a lot of the songs on 5150 were written while Dave was still in the group… so that album would have still released at #1 most likely. Sure, they more-than-likely would’ve split apart soon after, but it’s all speculation anyway, so believe what ya want…

    I’m excited to see the story that we’re all waiting for! C’mon boys… spill the fucking beans already so we will stop bickering about all this crap!

  • Dooley

    Hey freddiegirl…

    I’m excited about it. If Dave and Ed are older/wiser/more mature and get along in the studio, it’ll be awesome. If it all implodes… well we still got the back catalogue.

    I must add, tho, that if they go on a big tour, I hope Dave’s vocals hold up. But hey, Brian Johnson from AC/DC has vocal chords that are held together with duct tape…it’s only rock n roll. Somehow, it’ll all work out.

  • anythingleftinthatbottle

    I’m no shrink, but it would be sooo interesting to mingle amoungst all the people on here and see the different personalities between the Roth fans and the Sammy fans. I am a Roth, all the way, fan. My guess is that most of these guys that love Hagar also love Yes, Rush, and other ‘musicians’ musician bands like that. I just can’t think of them all right now. I see all the posts about ,Big bad Bill, and ‘Dance the night away’ etc. as being soft and realize that most that don’t like Roth because he’s arrogant and ‘cock sure’. That is precisely why we dig him. The 90′s pumped out plenty of ‘humble’ singers that just stood in front of the mike staring at their shoes. It was the attitude that kept us waiting to hear what Dave would say next that was so cool. You have to remember that we couldn’t get on here and watch the Oakland songs whenever we wanted to. We had to stay up till 2 in the AM on a school night and hope they would slide it in on MTV. Ya, OK, I get it, Sammy is a ‘class act’ and with mike, what, that makes a full class of act. Dave was in the stars during that time and untouchable besides maybe Michael Jackson and Prince in terms of straight up ‘fame’. It made you want to go along for the ride. Sammy just didn’t make me dream big. I remember seeing their first show with Sam in Shreveport and it just was deflating. I think the guy is a good vocalist but the magic was gone. Those acoustic tunes the guy above was railing agianst on WACF and Diver Down were EXCACTLY what I loved about Dave. That flambouyant care free whiskey soaked voice that sounded like some old black blues man on the corner playin a dobro. I hope they do some of that on the new one, but I still think it will lack without Mike on Bass. I’ve played a couple of concerts with my son on guitar and it was a blast, cause he is a classic rock fan, so I get it, but it just lacks without Mike. I know also that Dave was far from the cool guy he was, back in ‘the day’. So he has to reinvent himself

  • Lonesome John

    I was driving in my car the other day with my iPod on shuffle when I had the misfortune of hearing “Can’t Stop Loving You” from the Balance album. This song is the emblem of why Van Hagar simply doesn’t measure up to the work of the Classic VH lineup.

    You say, “but Sammy’s such a better singer”, and “the songs from the Van Hagar years are more intricate”…yeah, yeah, yeah…

    First of all the music from the Hagar years CAN’T be that much better, if at all. Eddie’s guitar work from those albums is sacred, and Dave’s vocals were solid if not spectacular. But that’s not the point, Classic VH had a vibe, a flavor, moxie that Van Hagar never could replicate. I mean, just look at the picture posted with this article of Sammy, Eddie, Alex and Mike from that era. They don’t even look as cool as they did back in the Classic VH era!!

    There were several good songs from the Van Hagar years. No question. But, there is also no question that “I Can’t Stop Loving You” is a far cry from “Somebody Get Me a Doctor!!” Classic VH is why we all keep coming back to this website.

  • Benny

    The band never..ever..sounded as tight as the F.U.C.K album and tour ’91-’93. Balance was also a monster album and tour as well. Very heavy songs on that album. Monster guitar tone from Ed. “Seventh Seal”, “Dont Tell Me”, “Aftershock”, “Feelin” are great guitar heavy songs and quite frankly crush anything from the Roth era. Even 5150 had some great tunes on it. I don’t think you even have to defend the Hagar era. They did very well with him.

  • Lupercal

    Van Halen didn’t “look as cool” with Sammy? Is that some sort of joke? Eddie wearing neckerchiefs was not cool – but hell I thought they all looked cool because they were cool people making amazing music.

    Fashion gripes always weird me out because every decade has some sort of ridiculous fashion that looks so dated and horrible now. People say that Sammy looked awful in those “yellow tight trousers” that he wore in VH – Eddie wore pink parachute pants too. But his guitar solo was still incredible. None of that stuff matters. With Dave strutting around in spandex and chaps for 10 years nobody seemed to think anything of it – then a singer wears some loud trousers and suddenly that has some sort of bearing on him as an artist.

    All the members had bad moments. Dave with some of his spandex stuff (especially the late 90s glitter suits), Sammy with his bob 5150 style haircut, Mikey with his 1995 major mullet, Eddie with the baggy pastel t-shirts and frosted tips in ’95, and Gary with his black velvet suits.

    But hey, clothes are just clothes man. I mean look at how weird Mick Jagger and Steven Tyler look, yet they’re pretty untouchable too.

    I just find it interesting that we have no “larger than life” personalities around today. Today is all about being sort of laid back and humble and one-of-the-people. I have no experience of anticipation of “man this guy says the most crazy stuff” – nobody these days is a maverick like Dave was. I totally get that but was never around to experience it. Thats probably one factor in why I’m a Sammy fan. But being a Sammy fan doesn’t mean I’m not a Roth fan or VAN HALEN fan, which is what its all about. If people want to limit themselves to 6 albums then fine, but I’ll take all I can get.

  • Sparks on the Horizon!!!

    I think all of the record sales counters in here are putting the wrong releases on the counter scales. Now, I don’t know the answer to this question, so I’m just putting this out there. How did Sammys VOA do sales/chart wise up against 1984? I think the answer to that question will tell you whose career was saved or in the very least, got a boost. Being a 14 year old at the time and getting a kick out of the 55 video, I picked up VOA. It was a fun cassette. Still, I think Sam was quite fortunate to have been asked.

    Virtually every band that has ever existed is in some way or another, a time bomb. That fact is something both eras will always have in common. Compare the black and white pic at the top to the one on the back of Balance (all time worst band photo ever taken). I flipped that cool ass front cover over when I got that CD and was like, huh? You see less than 1/4 of Sam’s face. The strategically place Coke can in the foreground (their poke at Pepsi clear) had better lighting. The beginning of the end for Mach II. Never liked the moniker Van Hagar and no, they never should have changed their name. Now Pink Floyd on the other hand…

    My hindsight belief is that If Sam never joined VH, his 1986 would’ve probably turned out like his solo album from 1987, only with Bill Church on bass and a different title. His solo career would have moved along just fine. I just don’t think he was destined to have meteor like jolt in his career. Hence, my opening comment to this post.

    The follow up to 1984 would have been their meteor moment. Dave’s original idea for the movie was to gave VH make the music. A Hard Days Night for the 80′s generation. Then, the comet might just explode. Unfortunately hard to envision a happy ending as much as I’d want one.

    I am most grateful for the presence of all parties included and hope, in a non comparitive way, we all discuss CF’s and VH’s new music real soon. For all of our yackin’ I highly doubt any of us are going to be let down.

  • Tater Salad

    Thank you freddiegirl for posting an actually smart and well thought out post! I agree with you completely, and I am stoked for this new album!!! Rock on!

  • whambamsam

    This article is ridiculous, just like any Dave vs. Sam argument. Great music, from ’78 – ’95. Period. No reason to go any further than that.

  • http://VHND HIKER MAN

    ALL OF VAN HALEN HAS BEEN GREAT, THE DAVE YEARS WAS GREAT HAD A LOT OF GREAT VAN HALEN PARTIES AT MY HOME IN BAGDAD ARIZONA, EVERYBODY LOVED VAN HALEN BACK IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, THEN WE GOT SAMMY WHO HAD SOM BIG SHOES TO FILL AND DID A GREAT JOB, BOTH OF THESE GUYS BROUGHT US GREAT MUSIC, EVEN VAN HALEN THREE HAD SOME KILLER MUSIC ON IT, WAS HOPING FOR SECOND CD FROM GARY, YEAR TO THE DAY HAS SOME OF THE BEST GUITAR MUSIC THAT EDDIE HAS DONE IN A LONG TIME, I ALSO THINK BALANCE WAS AS GOOD AS ANY OF THE FIRST SIX VAN HALEN ALBUMS. 5150 WAS ALSO GREAT, WACF WAS MY FAVORITE OF THE FIRST SIX. I GUESS ALL VAN HALEN IS GREAT. HAVE A GOOD ONE

  • Rack of What?

    Sparks: If you don’t think Dave’s solo career had an early boost because of Van Halen, think again……..

    Van Halen was a brand name in 1984. ANYBODY that came aboard, even Elvis Frickin Presley, would’ve gotten a boost.

    Dave’s solo career fizzled quite quickly, to levels lower than Sammy’s PRE=Van Halen days.

    I’m so sick of, yet drawn to, the comparisons of the Dave/Sammy eras. I’d much rather compare the eras to their competition at the time.

    And I agree that we’re not going to be let down next year. Any of us. Halen and the Foot. I think it’s time to Reach down between my legs and ease the seat back….!!

  • Sparks on the Horizon!!!

    @Rack- Dave didn’t want a solo career. He hated the whole replace and reform aspect of getting a band together. Now I’m no know-it-all, but I did read his book. VH was his life.
    I agree that his solo projects did not do so well. I truly think that the ideal situation for Dave and possibly the rest of the guys would’ve been an arrangement similar to Phil Collins & Genesis. Seemed like for a while, he was able to bounce between solo album and group album trouble free. With Dave being wild and single and Ed, Al & Mike starting families, that scenario probably could’ve worked out fine for all of them.
    Have a good weekend!

  • paul wilkinson

    i really hope roth stays with the band and releases new material but its kinda sad that there are songs you will NEVER hear ed play again…black and blue,aftershock,feelin,A.F.U. etc

  • mikey

    The funny thing is that the followup album to 1984 would have sounded a lot like 5150 regardless of who was the singer. The music was mostly completed before Hagar ever joined the band. Outside of “Love Walks In” which was wrote as band and replaced the track “I Want Some Action” to add variety to the album. I’m not sure how much more Hagar added musically to the album outside of lyrics and vocals. Over the years I’ve read that the music was already done for such songs as “Summer Nights” and “Dreams” and it’s pretty obvious that “Good Enough”, “Get Up” and “The Inside” all had Roth in mind when they were wrote. So I guess if you don’t like 5150 you wouldn’t have liked the direction VH was going to take anyway.

    In fact if work your way through the Van Hagar catalog you find out that a lot of the riffs and song ideas are ones that Eddie had been kicking around for years and can be heard on various live/demos/bootlegs. So a lot of the Van Hagar songs would have been Roth songs with different vocals. In fact one of them is “Can’t Get This Stuff No More” an unused track from “Balance” called “Backdoor Shuffle” with Roth merely rewriting the lyrics.

  • mewisemagic

    Humans Being has got to be on the top of the list for sure! That song has got that “kick you in the teeth” power. As for this article, the critic is a pure ass clown!!!

  • Towers McQuestion

    Fortunately for me, the list of Van Hagar songs that I like far outweigh the number I hate:

    Good Enough
    Get Up
    Summer Nights
    Best Of Both Worlds
    5150
    Mine All Mine (Hagar’s best lyrics IMHO)
    Cabo Wabo
    Source Of Infection (music only, lyrics suck)
    Finish What Ya Started
    Sucker In A 3 Piece (music for the most part)
    Black And Blue
    A.F.U.
    Poundcake
    Judgement Day
    Runaround
    Pleasure Dome
    In And Out (music for the most part)
    Man On A Mission
    The Dream Is Over
    Right Now
    Top Of The World
    Amsterdam (lyrics only)
    Aftershock
    Take Me Back (Deja Vu)
    Feelin’

    It’s quite a long list for me. I’m lucky I enjoyed so much. There are some HORRIBLE songs on the Van Hagar playlist, however, and those seemed to be the ones the band preferred to release to the public and to favor in concert. These included:

    Why Can’t This Be Love
    Love Walks In
    Dreams (though I like it on occasion)
    When It’s Love
    Feels So Good
    Spanked
    And most of Balance, which aged poorly.

    Van Hagar is known for their power ballads, but I have to say, there are some amazing rock songs in the band’s catalog. Yes, the lyrics are often super cheesy, but it doesn’t bother me. I’m mostly in the band for the power trio anyway. I don’t really get into Dave’s lyrics that much either. More often than not they make no sense whatsoever, while Sam’s are just often cheesy (I admit Dave was very clever in the way he worded his nonsense lyrics). Sam was a hella great singer back in the day (his voice has faded some) and I enjoy listening to his voice complimenting Ed, Al and Mike when they play their trademarked power rock. It’s when the keyboards come out that I really can’t stand Van Hagar.

  • Towers McQuestion

    Some things I forgot to mention: I do prefer Van Hagar to solo Dave era tunes. As badly as some Van Hagar era stuff has aged, Dave’s solo career, Eat Em And Smile excluded, is horribly dated and bad IMHO. A country song with Travis Tritt? That was HORRIBLE! Hina? Hated it. Even DLR Band just sounded like Dave with a Van Halen tribute band (which is essentially what is was) without the magic of the VH bros and Mike. Neither Dave nor Sam are anywhere near as engaging for me when the VH power trio isn’t backing them up. I do enjoy Chickenfoot but Satch is my SECOND favorite guitar player, Ed is number one.

    I also think Van Hagar would have endeared themselves to classic fans if they’d played more classic material in concert. That can be laid at Sam’s feet, for sure. He said it himself, he wouldn’t be a singer for Van Halen, he would be the only singer for this band, meaning he wanted to remove Dave from VH history. This pissed off a lot (if not all) of the band’s classic fans, and eventually Eddie as well, and rightly so.

    Hagar should have sucked it up, taken the high road, and performed deep cuts other than Jump, Panama, Ain’t Talkin’ Bout Love and Unchained every once and a while (I’m not counting You Really Got Me as it is not a true Van Halen song associated only with Dave).

    I maintain that if Sam had not tried to totally supplant Dave, if he’d paid tribute to the classic era and respected it, more classic VH fans would have been readier to accept Sam in the band. On every tour we heard “Why Can’t This Be Love” but we never heard Feel Your Love Tonight and even Unchained, the band’s “Rock And Roll” equivalent, was a rarity. That’s just bad business.

  • http://www.mattinglydesign.net Flying Eddie

    The guy who wrote this op-ed is a douchebag.

    Anyone who picks sides with one lead singer over another (as if any singer can define the “real” Van Halen) is a fool.

    Even if the lyrics and instrumentation has changed around a bit over the years, the quality of the music has always been a high watermark for other rock groups to look up to. Regardless of the change in their lineup through their history, Van Halen remains a monumental music group and their legacy is intact.

    No lead singer, past or present, is going to change that.

  • Lee

    As somebody has already said, the Van Hagar era doesn’t need defending.

  • BrianG

    Seriously, will this debate never end? Why can’t people just get over themselves and admit that Van Halen with Dave and Sammy were both great, but different versions of the band. Why do you have to be a fan of one or the other? If you are, fine, but you don’t HAVE to be. I actually pity the people that listen exclusively to the Dave era Van Halen. You missed a lot of good Van Halen music after 1984. Even Van Halen 3 had some great guitar work. Now the opportunity exists for a new Chickenfoot album as well as a new Van Halen album in 2011. We should all be looking forward to this, instead of rehashing arguments that should have died off years ago. All the members have clearly moved on, why can’t the fans?

  • MAURICIO ROMERO

    THE VAN HALEN MATERIAL WITH SAMMY HAGAR WAS FUCKING PHENOMENAL. IT’S INCREDIBLE THAT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS THESE SO CALLED FANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SLINGING SHIT AT SAMMY LIKE HE IS THE BAD GUY OF THE STORY. HIS VOCAL RANGE IS ONE OF THE BEST OF ALL TIME, HE’S A GREAT GUITARIST AND AN EQUALLY IMPRESSIVE SONGWRITING TALENT. PLUS, HE’S A DOWN TO EARTH HUMAN BEING. THANK GOD EDDIE TRUNK HAS RESPECT FOR HIM.

  • http://www.unsigned.com/getoutnpush Mark Stone

    There was nothing really wrong with Van Hagar; the mis-step (in hind-sight) was this: They should’ve just changed the name of the band. Then we wouldn’t even be talking about this. If Eddie wanted to hire Billy Sheehan, that would’ve been a perfect time to do it. Mammoth, Rat Salade, The Broken Combs, whatever, just not the name “Van Halen” with a new singer and a different sound. That’s it…problem solved.

  • http://www.unsigned.com/getoutnpush Mark Stone

    Btw,
    re: Towers McQuestion (up 4 posts) “… I do prefer Van Hagar to solo Dave era tunes…” Dude, go buy “A Little Ain’t Enough” with Jason Becker. That was his best record & EVERY song on that CD COOKS!

  • Towers McQuestion

    @ Mark Stone

    Oh, I have all of Dave’s stuff and wore that tape out when I first got it. The title track is great, others, not so much. I think about the only other tune off that record that I continually like is “Showtime”. That was a great song. I believe that release had songs like “Hammerhead Shark” on it, correct? “Lady Luck”, “Baby’s On Fire”, Dogtown Shuffle”, “Drop In The Bucket”…

    Not a fan of that stuff.

    It’s like on “Your Filthy Little Mouth”, I think “She’s My Machine” is an awesome song. I also think every other song on that release ended up sucking hard donkey penis. There was always one or two stand out tracks on Dave’s releases, post Eat Em And Smile, but IMHO they got worse and worse and most have aged very poorly, far more so than the Van Hagar era.

    Dave’s stuff with Van Halen… it’s classic. Nothing can top it. He was a major architect of VH’s success and proved himself as the top showman of all time. My only point being is that I think Van Hagar was great, different but great, and gets a bad rap for releasing mostly sappy, cheesy (and admittedly shitty) power ballads. They had a big catalog of guitar/drum/bass rockers (some with cheesy lyrics, to be sure) and it was, for me, heads and shoulders above everything else being released at that time, including Dave’s solo work (minus Eat Em And Smile).

    This is no doubt because I’m an Ed/Al/Mike follower first. Ed is my guitar god and I love the way he plays with Al and hearing Mike’s subsonic thump (and canon mouth vocals) behind it all. There’s just an indefinable “something” about that power trio that has always drawn me in. When Dave left, I stuck with Van Halen mostly because, despite the power ballads, there was a lot of Ed/Al/Mike goodness on those records.

    With Dave… well, I guess I’m one who follows Ed’s guitar over Dave’s “charasma”. With Dave, it was like a Van Halen tribute band. Good… but not timeless like it used to be.

    This is all my opinion, of course. Others will vary and be just as correct.

  • Rack of What?

    Mark Stone: I agree. A name change would’ve prevented these juvenile, somewhat bigoted debates about the different Halen eras.

    Or, the debate could be ended with a less than par upcoming album with Roth. That would shut up the hard-headed, can’t listen to reason, Roth fans…!!

  • Rack of What?

    At work today (I work at a gym), we listened to satellite radio for 10 hours. 5 hours of Classic Rewind, and 5 hours of The Boneyard.

    Here’s the final tally:

    16 songs with Hagar on lead vocals (2 Montrose, 8 Van Halen, and 6 solo)

    4 with Roth (3 with Halen, 1 solo)

    Interesting…….keep in mind satellite radio isn’t beholden to the record companies either.

  • anythingleftinthatbottle

    You know. I hope they are not in the studio right now having throw downs. Dave has more leverage now then he did when that tour began and he was obviously having to smootch. If Ed in his hyper-defensive nature decides to cancel out this time, it will be too much for fans I think. At least for me. No matter if you have catologs of music or not, there still has to be some structure to it. And based on VHIII, there was a lot of eratic movements in the music. That is very difficult to write to as a singer, and not (I believe) Daves style. I don’t care how much older they are or how far your balls have dropped, you still have passion. You can lay down all the guitar tracks you want and say put vocals to it, but sometimes you gotta sit down and hack it out on changes, bridges, etc. And that is where the rubber will meet the road or fly off the track!! It’s all subjective and opinion of what sounds good and what doesn’t. Guitar players (and I AM one) have a tendency of writing long winded parts with lots of strange changes,(kinda like this post) which again, based on VHIII is where Ed is musically. I think Dave, back in the day, kept Ed on track as it pertains to writing good songs that weren’t JUST for the musician. If Ed can’t, or refuses to do that now there is gonna be trouble. If it happens, he should just do a musicians music type album and it will sell a couple hundred thousand albums and be content with that, or go get that singer from Tool to sing a few, cause that guitar player sounds like he just writes long winded parts and the singer just finds ways to squeeze in a lyric or two here and there. I will give Sammy credit for writing (not so good) lyrics to the song 5150, cause that song has a lot of movemnt in it. (very cool movement) and he finds a very cool melody on top of it.

    I know that is negative, but I fix things for a living and that requires that I look for the problem in order to fix it and I see a lot of potential for leaks in this boat. Hope their producer is good at playing peace maker cause it will be worth it if they can pull it off. The cherry on top would be Mike back for backing vocals and bass!

  • Dooley

    Brian G; Mauricio Romero…

    Great posts, well-stated, rock on…

  • LegalBevo

    The “Van Hagar” bashing is as tired as a “Pete Rose: should he be in the Hall of Fame?” debate on sports-talk radio. I was 15 when Dave left the first time and my first concert was the 5150 tour. I didn’t hate the Roth-era material just because Hagar was in the band. I didn’t hate the Hagar-era material when Roth came back, left and Cherone came in.

    To use another sports-related analogy, do Green Bay fans hate the 2010 Packers because Arron Rogers just won them a Super Bowl and Brett Favre is gone? There might be a few, but the vast majority love the TEAM, not the player. Why do so many Roth-era fans have to hate the version of the “team” that existed from ’86 – ’96 and in ’04? I just never have understood it. Do Raiders fans not count that Super Bowl that they won as the LA Raiders in the 80s?

  • dan slaughter

    I had a huge letter to post, but decided to pull it. Van Halen is the best band in music history. Their music has saved my life. Their music can turn a bad day into a great day. As long as it is Eddie and Alex..I will be there.

  • Chris

    Van Halen rocks with sammy. The music and everything is amazing. This guy who wrote this is a complete tool..

  • http://VHND RICH

    CAN’T WAIT FOR SOME NEW VAN HALEN MATERIAL! BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT’S MORE ABOUT THE MUSIC THEN IT’S EVER BEEN ABOUT THE LEAD SINGERS. ROCK ON EDDIE VAN HALEN!