VAN HALEN NEWS DESK

Sammy Hagar’s alien visitations

grey_-1.gif Indigo alien image by H2OLily_2008From: OpenMinds.tv:

Legendary rock star, Sammy Hagar, has had a successful solo career and was once the singer for the band Van Halen, however it’s possible he had some help reaching his stardom from the stars. Hagar claims that he has had multiple experiences with extraterrestrials who helped influence his music.

In an interview with Guitar World, Hagar told his story: “It’s been a long, long time, but back in about ‘68, in Fontana, California, I had this unbelievable experience that would take this whole interview to even go into… But I’m a firm believer — have seen, have felt, have been contacted three or four different times. I have received information that has been valuable in my life from those people, and they have used me. I’m gonna sound like a complete nut here, but they have used me in an experimental fashion. The easiest way to put it is that they downloaded my brain information. When I was about 19 or 20, they downloaded everything that was in my head. And I caught ‘em doin’ it! I woke up in the middle of the night, thinkin’, ‘What’s goin’ on?’ They were like, ‘Oh, my god, he’s waking up!’ But this was all telepathy — there were no words being spoken. And as soon as I woke up — it was probably three o’clock in the morning — my whole room was so bright that I could hardly keep my eyes open. I was wide-awake, I could not move, eyes open, white room, they were still disconnecting — and when they did, it just went bang! Everything went back to normal, back to black. I was shaking, I almost passed out, I was sick to my stomach and almost had to throw up, it was so scary…”

“It sent me on a course of curiosity. I bought a telescope, and I started reading UFO books, and I just got into the whole thing. And since then, there have been three or four other contacts with the same group of people. I don’t know who the **** they are, but I’ve narrowed them down to a people called the Nine, who are called that because they’re from the Ninth Dimension. I’ve named my publishing company the Nine Music after them. It’s a crazy thing, man. But to me, anyone who thinks we’re the only ones here, despite the vastness of the entire universe, is ****ing crazy. Those people gotta be put away — not the guys having these contacts!”

In a news interview Hagar further described the visit, “They didn’t come into my room. They were parked up on a hill behind the house about 12 miles away, and they were connecting into my brain.”

In his book, Alien Rock, Michael Luckman says that when pushed to describe the beings, Hagar said they were just pure energy.

The history of people chanelling a group called “The Nine” goes back possibly over 50 years. According to a story in the Fortean Times, it began with parapsychologist, Andrija Puharich. He brought an Indian mystic into his laboratory who began channeling The Nine. Puharich was also known for discovering the famous psychic Uri Geller, who supposedly also channeled The Nine. Eventually Puharich started a research organization called Lab Nine to find other channellers that were allegedly in contact with this group.

Over the years many famous people have had an interest in “The Nine”, including the creator of Star Trek, Gene Rodenberry, according to the Fortean Times article. Rodenberry had apparently written a script about their channelings, but it never made it into production.

Sammy Hagar isn’t kidding when he says he has had these contacts, and he also claims that there were no drugs involved with these contacts. So is his music influenced by ET? Luckman believes this may be the case for many of the world’s leading artists. If that’s true, there must be some great galactic jams in the cosmos, that hopefully humans will one day be able to take part in.

Fortean Times Article

  • johnny

    Any fool can condemn, criticize and ridicule and most fools do.

  • http://vhnd Emery

    Well I think this might be true. They must have told him how to make big money. Kinda like a telavgelists saying he hears from god and has five homes and a jet.

    I wounder what Ed and Al Have to say about this.I bet Dave would have something to say about it. I do really think that Sam did a great job in VH. And those are my memorys.

  • http://vhnd Emery

    You know come to think of it maybe we were planted here by aliens. I`v thought about that.I mean with all the diffrent races. We can`t be the only ones floating around. I wounder were 5150 comes in?

  • http://weownthesky.com shawn

    “and then you sense a change
    nothing feels the same
    all your dreams are strange
    weed starts kicking in”

  • Pete

    Ahhh, the sixties…

    :D

  • David

    jesus sammy…lay off the hair dye. it’s seeping in.

  • David

    i couldn’t even read past the part where he was used as an experiment. that is classic.

  • sephryan

    I believe Sammy 100%. He is only one of thousands that have had this happen. There is a much bigger picture going on than most of the population can even imagine or will even begin to accept. There is so much mis-information and dis-information out there that its no wonder that most will find Sammy’s story to be crazy or totally out there. I don’t believe we are alone or ever have been. To each their own. Peace Sammy!!!

  • Toddler

    An open mind is a powerful thing.

    I believe.

  • jim

    Maybe the aliens can come down to earth and teach the fans that the VH brothers are musicians, not customer service reps.

  • RickieVanWhalen

    Since the musically deprived aliens downloaded his brain, we can look forward to more dopy lyrics aboard the starship enterprise.

  • RA 8 1 2

    Anyone ever see him on that TV Show where they follow ghosts. Sammy talks about being in San Francisco with his wife and baby in maybe 1969 and his father came to the door. But his father had been dead for a number of years. I think its funny how all these alien sightings were always in the 1960′s. Space race was going on. Race to the moon. all kinds of shit. Freakin Hippies TRIPPIN! There was so much acid going around to make you believe your mail man was delivering stuff from another planet!

  • Madison

    Sammy is awesome, even though he’s a little crazy, he still is the best! =)

  • Ron

    Holy Smokes!!! Sammy Hagar has LOST his freaking mind!!! He either dropped too much acid in the 60′s, has been hanging around Perry Farrell too much or has been anal probed by Kenny Chesney way too many times! Now I see why Eddie moved on! As far as musicians getting inspired from other beings from other places in the universe, who do you think we are and where do you think we live?! We are beings in this universe and we live in this universe. Why do all the whack jobs have to look out?! Everyone and everything is here. Good God!

  • alexandre

    Joe O’Meara, you are right about the comment Sammy did before “Love walks in” in the LWAN video, but int the time it was released, i was wondering why he wrote about aliens! Anyway, greetins from a brazilian fan!
    P.S.: it’s an amazing song!

  • http://vhnd.com surfthis!!

    sammy has believed this for years

    do the math

    alien contact is more likely then not

    go google how many star systems are in the universe (that we know about) and get back to me…

    as for actually claiming contact that is another thing…

    DLR on his radio gig thought it was the fact that sam’s dad died and that he was on drugs at the time it all happened
    either way so fing what

  • http://vhnd.com surfthis!!

    many many musicians are inspired by outerspace

    ron you go do your research

    ever heard of ziggy stardust or pink floyd

    never mind…

  • Panama Red

    @ Michael D – Great post on the 19th. I don’t think a lot of people would probably even take the time to understand where you’re coming from. You make a lot of sense but do people want to hear it? For the most part I think not, which is very unfortunate.

    Lizard of Waz – says “We mock what we fear and that’s why the human race is what it is…close- minded and bigoted.”
    I couldn’t agree more. Fear and fear of the unknown can make people act in ways that are regrettable, to say the very least.

    I’m buzzed and have insomnia, it’s a winning combination, LOL! So I’m gonna let myself go off, What the fuck. And if VHND doesn’t let me submit this it’s fine. Everything’s cool. Writing is just one of the things I do to keep myself occupied when I’m having trouble sleeping which I’ve had for over 20 years.
    I like how this story (even though it’s an old one) comes from a place called Open Minds T.V.
    Too few people keep an open mind, I feel that’s one of the only true ways to evolve and expand your mental capacities.
    This story and others like it isn’t news to the hardcore Hagar fans out there.
    There is a good and fun interview with Sammy on youtube talking about this kind of stuff and also lighter subjects like music, the video is titled “Sammy Hagar talks Aliens.”
    I wish more famous people and other people who are in the spotlight that would have a far-reaching voice who’ve had their own paranormal experiences would come forward and speak about them in public to raise awareness and help dispel ignorance on these types of subjects.

    But ultimately, education is in your own mind and people will only see what they are ready to see.

    It takes bravery to speak out about these kinds of things. A number of things have happened to people who’ve come forward with accounts like these. At the very least a person’s career and reputation can be severely damaged. It wouldn’t hurt someone with Sammy’s occupation like it could, say a politician, doctor, military leader, etc.
    But with Sammy being a musician most people who don’t want to open their minds would just say it’s drugs with Sammy (like some of the people who have posted here) and that’s how they would write it off or try to discredit him.

    Back in the day (early to mid 90′s) I used to buy any magazine that even mentioned Van Halen and I bought a music zine (can’t remember which one, it’s in my storage now) but it had an interview with Sammy and he talked about another experience he had with aliens. The article was entitled “Sammy Spaces Out” and he talked about them doing something to his brain like downloading or uploading stuff and he woke up while they were still there and he remembers a series of numbers going through his head. He said from what he could tell they weren’t good guys. I wish I had that magazine here at home so I could remember better details.
    But anyway Sammy has been writing songs about aliens since he first became a musician. To name a few of the obvious ones:
    “Silver Lights”
    “Little Star/Eclipse”
    “Space Station No. 5″
    “Someone Out There”
    “Love Walks In”
    Also a part of the lyrics from the song “Not 4 Sale” is:
    “Stay up late just lookin’ at the stars. Believe in God, believe in aliens. U.F.O.’s in my backyard.”
    I also like the lyrics to “Marching to Mars”:
    “Is there life in the universe? Yeah, there’s life in the universe. We’ll find God in the universe. We’ll find God but we’ll find life first.”
    Sammy Hagar has written some great songs, I also love the lyrics to the song “Returning Home” among many, many others he has written.

    I’ve had my own experiences in this paranormal field but this obviously isn’t the forum to discuss them in detail. They are very personal and powerful experiences so I usually don’t talk about them anyway. And most people would have too difficult of a time believing.
    If you haven’t had similar experiences I understand how difficult it would be to relate or understand how these things could happen. To be honest, I wouldn’t wish them on my worst enemy. There a few people that I truly hate in this world and I wouldn’t even wish it on them. It’s to inhuman of an experience, nobody should have to go through it.
    I can’t waste time worrying about people not believing in these types of experiences, although I find it upsetting and frustrating at times. But I’m not sure that if I hadn’t experienced what I have that I would believe some of the stories I’ve heard either. They do sound extremely strange but extremely strange things really happen in our reality.

    I also get frustrated at some of the “debunkers” out there in the world. I know sleep paralysis is real because I’ve actually experienced it a few times in my life but it has nothing, NOTHING to do with these other events. One is a physical anomaly that occurs with the body sometimes and the other is something else, something else entirely.

    Skepticism is a great thing but Skepticism without prejudice, without involving preconceived beliefs that could cause bias in your conclusions is the only true way to be skeptical. Labeling things that are hard to understand with the latest “medical” or “scientific” reasoning does not make a “case closed” but it might close the case in your own mind to fit around your beliefs or what you are prepared to believe. So please don’t diagnose someone’s experience with a label like “sleep paralysis” or with someone being high or delusional or whatever. If you weren’t there to witness it then you aren’t qualified to make a diagnosis of what happened and therefore you aren’t really in the position to slap whatever label you want to put on it just to explain it away for your own reasons.
    But whatever, everybody is entitled to their own opinions (I sound like a drone when I say that)
    I just wish more opinions were more thought out and not simply ridicule.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying “I don’t understand” whatever the topic is. I think that actually shows intelligence not ignorance. To me saying things like “I’m not sure that I understand” shows that you realize certain things are out of your grasp but you will consider thinking more deeply about it. It’s an intelligent way to confront things IMO. And the more people (including scientists, scholars, intellectuals, etc.) who realize we can’t understand ALL things, the closer we’ll get to more truths and the next step in our evolution as a race.

    Hell, I’ve experienced similar events with “aliens” or whatever the hell they are and I will be the first to say I have very, very little understanding of what’s going on with this shit. At least consciously, maybe buried deep in my subconscious my psyche has a better understanding, I don’t know but apparently I’m not aware consciously of why these things are really happening because I can’t really explain them.
    The ones I had experiences with didn’t seem to be teaching me anything like I’ve read about with some other people. Sammy’s experiences from what I’ve read seemed to be typically negative too but maybe he has gotten something positive from them, IDK.
    My experiences were almost indescribably negative.
    Is that because of a lack of understanding on my part?
    Or were they truly negative beings experimenting on me with their own agenda in mind without any consideration for me?
    I can’t say for certain.
    Really, all I can say for certain is that it seemed like it was more of a “lab rat” situation than anything else so there isn’t a whole lotta ways for me to feel about it.

    Making jokes about this subject is a way for some people to nervously put a topic behind them that they don’t want to confront or try to understand. Other people make jokes about this kind of stuff and about the people who have experienced it is for more sinister reasons, to try to discredit people.
    And then I think there are people who just make a joke because they don’t know what else to do, they may neither posses any malicious intent nor really balk at the subject, they just have no interest and don’t concern themselves with this matter.
    I understand how it can be difficult to accept certain things especially if you don’t have anything to base a new belief on, like a personal experience.
    All I can say is try to keep your mind’s eye open at all times, don’t set up barriers for yourself.

    It’s kind of like “The Matrix” red pill and blue pill analogy. Some people would choose the blue pill and go on living in their own comfortable reality that they know to be “true” other people might be ready to try to see past that to see if there’s more, and choose the red pill.
    I want to see the truths, the real truths as scary as they might be, now that I’ve seen more than what is generally accepted as our normal reality.
    Life isn’t reality without the truth.

    There will always be misinformation, disinformation, mocking, belittling, attempts at character assassinations, and even threats/harassment or worse from the “powers that be” to suppress info. And most people anyway don’t want to hear anything that is unconventional truth that will make them question their own deep rooted belief systems. It’s too hard for a lot of people to conceive or deal with. But what I cannot truly understand from anyone who considers themselves to be generally intelligent or the least bit scientifically informed is that how could you not come to your own conclusion that there HAS to be other life in this universe? It is so gigantic, and understanding the vastness of the universe is almost impossible to even fathom. It would seem to me to be an embarrassing remark to make to say that we are alone in the universe from any other intelligent species.
    And chances are they are way more advanced than we are. I’m honestly amazed that we haven’t wiped ourselves out yet.

    I’m not the wisest person in the world but a few things I’ve learned during my lifetime are:
    1.)Question EVERYTHING, don’t ever believe anything without putting some of your own thoughts behind it first. Questioning, skepticism, having a curious mind, making your own sense of things–figuring out things for yourself is a good thing, not just taking someone’s word for it.
    2.)Knowing and having the understanding that not everything in this world can be explained through science. Scientific knowledge is a great advantage but someone who thinks that everything can be explained away with a scientific theory that we can understand is creating their own walls to crash into.
    3.) ALWAYS keeping an open mind with EVERYTHING will bring you closer to reality than any preconceived thought, teaching, or belief system you may have utilized during your lifetime.
    I have made the mistake of forgetting this ideology in the past and it has cost me some time.

    @ dlrevhsh – I have read in some of the many books I have about abduction cases that many other people have heard that “swooshing” sound you talked about. I’m serious, I’ve heard about it from many other people. I don’t recall hearing that myself with any clarity but I do vividly remember an intense buzzing/vibration (just after being brought back, I guess) It was an intense buzzing in my head that lasts for a few seconds. Btw one of my earliest memories was when I was an infant in a crib and I was trying to scream out of terror but not even having a voice to do so, kind of like your experience. I don’t even know if it was a paranormal experience but that moment has been burned into my brain for some reason. I can still remember the fear I felt and that was a LONG time ago.

    Unfortunately these things tend to run in families. Keeping track of certain bloodlines or something I guess, I’m not for sure why, but I’m not the only one in my family with experiences like this and I’ve read in many other instances of these types of experiences going through family trees.

    @ Dirty Duck – Hey man, can you say Synchronicity? Damn dude, pretty weird that this was posted the day after talking about this kind of stuff?
    And you knew my crazy ass was gonna post an essay didn’t you, you could feel it. HA HA!
    I’m genuinely interested in hearing more about your experience man, but I wouldn’t discuss it here.
    Maybe we’ll bump into each other someday, who knows.
    Later

  • McQuestion

    Drugs are a horrible thing. As if Sammy haters didn’t have enough ammo to throw at him lol.

  • Gardog66

    UMMMMM??? Get the Net. LOL! I think Sammy swallowed too many Agave Worms.

  • RickieVanWhalen

    Hey Sammy

    If you look up in the sky real late at night, you can actually see uranus.

  • Scott

    Sammy and Satriani were meant to be together…apparently. Dave should have a field day with this.

  • Rick Pride

    I am going to be in Cabo for the 20th if any you all from the News Deak are gonna be there hit me up. Email RickPride@gmail.com

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    When I was 11 years old I liked : Love walks in

    As an adult? Absolute garbage….

  • RA 8 1 2

    @ Panama…Love you man, but how much time does one have to read that long ass post! LOL! Will try to read when I have a few min. Seems like you have a lot to say! LOL!

  • Panama Red

    Hey Dirty Duck – Do you ever go to Whitley Strieber’s website unknowncountry.com
    If you go there to the left side there is a little box that says “What’s new”
    If you click on “Whitley’s journal” that’s where he posts journal entries sometimes. You can go there and click on previous entries to read his older ones. His latest one he posted about a week ago is about an “implant” that was removed from someone, and a lab claims that they found after testing that the components that make up the implant are not available on this planet.

    RA 8 1 2 – I know. Some things really get me going. Some topics require and deserve a lot of attention. But I’m fully aware that this really isn’t the place people come to do a lot of heavy reading, especially about this subject.
    I don’t expect many people will read it, it was more than anything something for me to do while I was up late and my mind was going full throttle, I just let it go man.

  • andym

    I agree RA 8 1 2…

    Panama, seriously dude, that was freakign L-O-N-G!!!!! I’ll try to read it when I retire in 30 years.

  • Phil

    Funny comments on this one. Weird story, somehow I’m not surprised to hear Sammy say this.

  • freddiegirl

    And everyone thinks Eddie’s the crazy one…

    Ok…I admit that I personally don’t believe we’re alone in the universe…but the universe is so vast that I have to wonder why any alien intelligence would even bother with us. Like in the Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy…aren’t we in the unfashionable end of the galaxy??
    :D :D :D

  • Matt from Australia

    I love ED, even if he is a paranoid reclusive genius.
    Sammy is…well Sammy. This story says it all really.

  • The Booger Muncher Legend

    Call Ace Sam. Apparently U guy’s have some common stories. LoL.

  • Ron

    Hey Surfthis and Panama Red!!,

    It’s hilarious how many people try to convince folks that aliens exist with all kinds of references to this story and that witness account, etc. We’ve all read the articles, books, seen the news stories and documentaries on all the channels over the years. And yes, it’s fun and interesting, but who Fucking cares!!! What everyone seems to miss is that we are ALL Fucking aliens! There’s a trillion different AMAZING life forms in every nuke and cranny on this planet! Mind blowing creatures that cover every type of amazing existence that could be thought of. And guess where we/it all comes from? NOWHERE. Quantum. If you’re a fan of physics you know this already.
    Of course it’s possible. But I can assure you they are not going to download Sammy Hagar’s brain or anyone else’s, because the human existence is so far inferior to higher intelligence that it’s absolutely pointless. Plus they would be so far advanced that they would be able to tap into the collective quantum intelligence without any physical or psychological affect on humans. We should be concentrating on making the human experience better, not talking about getting anal probed!
    As far as many musicians being inspired by space, so! Most people are inspired by outerspace, including myself. It’s absolutely amazing and beautiful!
    As far as Ziggy Stardust and Pink Floyd, can you say ACID?! And Ziggy Stardust A.K.A. David Bowie certainly explains the “Anal Probe” phenomenon. Do your research!
    Panama Red, mocking what we fear? Again, who cares?! We are all going to die, so what else is there to fear?! That’s what everyone misses.
    As far as anyone’s experiences and them all being negative, two things; 1 – sounds more like a deep psychological conflict, unrest or issue within your mind. 2 – If I were being visited by aliens in a negative way, I would start a campaign of hate towards the little green fuckers, not just write about it passively. If you want to sleep, resolve your conflicts/issues and if that doesn’t work, smoke some Panama Red!!
    What kills me is that aliens that may or may not exist would be so much more advanced and intelligent than we are at this time. What could they possibly gain from downloading our pathetic brains/existence? NOTHING!!! It’s just like religion, some advanced being playing childish fucking games based on EGO. Bullshit!!! The problem with people is they don’t look at the whole or put things in proper context. You can’t be intelligent if you are seeing things from a superficial and reactive perspective. You’re simply paranoid and reactive. Intelligence lies on a higher plane. Understanding what a higher intelligence would do and need is pretty much zero from us!
    So again, who cares if there are or are not aliens from other places in space or dimensions we have much bigger issues here on Earth!!!
    And who cares who says we are alone in the universe?! And how many Universes are there, have there been and will there be? Of course we don’t know shit, yet. I’m pretty sure we are not and of course anything is possible, but what’s the point?! So what! It sounds like Alien/UFO buffs are the one’s who have the issue. You’re just trying to convert others who don’t believe or give a flying fuck. Just like the Christians and every other mind enslaving fuck nut!
    Funny how people who believe certain things always feel the need to convert everyone else to justify their uncertainty and insecurity. If you believe, great, I’m happy for you! Who cares!

    P.S. Joe Satriani can’t hold a fucking candle to Eddie Van Halen. Sammy needs to return to his solo career! Old Sammy rocked!

  • Tim

    The Sam VS Dave debate is now intergalactic…or interdimensional. Now we can rest assured that if we all die from nuclear disaster, the Nines will still be debating the merits of the Six Pack VS Van Hagar.

  • Dooley

    Duck:

    Hey man… When I was 11 it was the 12-string Rickenbacker guitar used by George Harrison (opening chord for Hard Day’s Night) and again by Brian Jones then-Rolling Stones lead guitarist for the hard chords in “It’s All Over Now”. Great sound.

    As an adult…yeah, Absolute Garbage, the greatest hits package for Garbage (Shirley Manson, yummy!!) And I never liked “Love Walks In”…it’s one of Sam’s sappy songs. He’s done much better.

  • Gee Lopz

    No drugs involved?? I don´t believe it!!

    In the 60´s (!!) and Sammy was 19/20 years old?

    This smell´s like Pot! Marijuana!! ;)

    But Sammy knows 3 extra-terrestrial guys: Joe Satriani ( Looks and plays like a alien!!), Eddie and Alex Van Halen!!

  • kayser sozay

    Not dissing at all Ron, but I love your post man. I don’t know who’s kookier, Sam for talking about his alien visitations, or you for doubting him because you apparently know for a fact that aliens wouldn’t bother to download information from us inferior humans and that if they did, they could do it without us knowing about it. That’s funny shit, man. Cheers.

  • Jeremy

    Wow!

    Its a story folks about how Sammy feels!

    We hear about Eddie going to a Wal-Mart and you guys say he looks great and blah, blah, blah!

    Has anyone ever seen God or Jesus? What about Satan? How do we know they exist? Just by the book called the Bible?

    We are on here for a reason. Some of us our privilaged to encounter things like this or for that matter, having gifts that stand out above the normal person. These questions will be answered when we all die.

    Think about it, if God was upset with the way the world is going, wouldn’t he just fart and make it all go away and start over?

    Kudos to Sammy for talking about this and to those believers who have experienced in some way an outer body experience to being abducted by aliens or something else.

    As the Stones say: “It’s Only Rock N’ Roll, But I like it!”

  • Tommy Boy

    Nice job, Ron…nice job. Too bad many other folks won’t read and/or understand what the fuck you’re talking about. That stuff is jibberish to the close-minded. Peace to us all…

  • http://www.cabowabo.com No Mas Tony

    You know, two great forces can co-exist in the universe like God *AND* Aliens, just like two great forces can co-exist in the musical world, like VAN HALEN & CHICKENFOOT.

    “HAPPY FRIDAY!” VHND regulars! :-D

  • http://VHND mrbrownsound

    WOW…can u say Peyote??!!

  • Panama Red

    Ron –

    You followed my criteria for someone with a closed mind to a tee:
    You’ve got it all figured out. You have an understanding of how the universe works and all of the knowledge of how quantum physics works so therefore any other way of looking at reality is wrong.
    You’re even kind of arrogant about it. Most people with closed minds feel that they have a ceratin entitlement of knowledge and it sometimes causes them to condescend to other’s beliefs as you have done in your post.
    You “assure” us that aliens wouldn’t be interested in us and you also are positive of the better and correct method if aliens did want to make contact or download/upload information.
    You say it would be “pointless” for aliens to experiment on us.
    How the hell would you know what another race of beings agenda is or could be? Your ego pisses me off.
    I’ve had REAL experiences with these things and even I don’t know why the fuck they are doing what they are doing so how could you?
    And they weren’t hallucinations, drug or alcohol induced, or otherwise caused by any sort of mental issue. They were as real as anything else.
    You use ridicule and mockery towards others who have different beliefs or have experienced certain things that are outside of your understanding. (which I think shows insecurity in itself.)
    Nobody mentioned anything about anal probes except you, but you brought it up twice now as a tool for belittlement.
    Why not keep the conversation mature and intelligent, especially since you have such a mature mind to grasp quantum physics.

    I mean, c’mon seriously your first post was : “Holy Smokes!!! Sammy Hagar has LOST his freaking mind!!! He either dropped too much acid in the 60’s, has been hanging around Perry Farrell too much or has been anal probed by Kenny Chesney way too many times! Now I see why Eddie moved on!”
    And what the hell do you mean by this last part?

    “As far as musicians getting inspired from other beings from other places in the universe, who do you think we are and where do you think we live?! We are beings in this universe and we live in this universe. Why do all the whack jobs have to look out?! Everyone and everything is here. Good God!”

    Talk about having a narrow-minded view on the world. I’m not even sure what you mean.
    “Everyone and everything is here”??? and why do you sound so angry and defensive that someone would have a different viewpoint that conflicts with what you believe? You do realize that there are around 7 billion people on this planet right? Not everyone sees things the same.

    Other great excerpts from your post:
    “You’re simply paranoid and reactive. Intelligence lies on a higher plane. Understanding what a higher intelligence would do and need is pretty much zero from us!
    So again, who cares if there are or are not aliens from other places in space or dimensions
    Funny how people who believe certain things always feel the need to convert everyone else to justify their uncertainty and insecurity. If you believe, great, I’m happy for you! Who cares!”
    First of all “Who cares if there are aliens in other places or dimensions?” There are a lot of people that care who are inquisitive and enjoy thinking in depth and educating themselves about different subjects and discussing them with other like minded people.
    Wow man, I’m glad you have it all figured out and know exactly how a higher evolved race would think and what they would need.
    And I’m not “uncertain” about what happened, so that’s bullshit. I’m definitely Certain about what happened, I’m just not for sure WHY they do these things or exactly what REASONS they have in doing what they are doing to people.
    And you keep saying “who cares” so then why did you post something about it?
    Also I wasn’t trying to “convert” anyone here to anything, and neither was anyone else who mentioned their belief in other intelligent life. Do you think someone can be converted into a new belief from some comments on a website?
    All I was doing was recounting my thoughts on the subject and my main point was to always keep an open mind and to not create walls for your mind.
    If you can’t agree with that idea than I really think me conversing with you is a waste of both of our time.

    If you didn’t read my whole last post I understand because it was painfully long, like this one is probably going to turn out to be. But if you’re going to conclude what someone’s intentions are by reading what someone has to say, then maybe you should read the entire thing carefully and thoughtfully first, unless you just don’t really give a shit how you come across or don’t care if you have jumped to conclusions. If you did read the whole thing then I don’t know what to say other than, you either can’t, won’t, or don’t try to see where I am coming from.
    Encouraging someone to keep a open mind and research new things to educate themselves is a good thing, but trying to convert someone?? Who the hell do you think I am, a cult leader? I don’t have that kind of power or influence by leaving comments on a website. Geez. Nor would I want that power, I only want people to think for themselves, that’s all.
    I know people who don’t believe in aliens/crop circles/supernatural, etc. and they probably never will, it doesn’t keep me up at night, there’s nothing I can do to MAKE someone interested in something that they aren’t already curious about to begin with.

    As far as Quantum Physics, I think it is fascinating, and some of it I have trouble grasping. I guess I would say I’m a novice student when it comes to Quantum Physics. I’ve been interested in it for years but I don’t understand nearly as much about it as some other people in my family do. But I do have an infinite amount of material on Quantum Physics available to me if I wanted to do more research. My Mom who lives just a short drive away has just about every book ever written on Quantum Physics/Mechanics.
    She’s really into the theoretical physicist Michio Kaku’s material right now.
    And by the way she’s had her own experiences in this area of discussion. Very, very strange things have been experienced from a few other family members as well.
    But my understanding of Q.P. seems to differ from your understanding. I understood that things come from EVERYWHERE not “NOWHERE” like you said.
    And I have also understood it to mean that EVERYTHING is connected in the “Holographic Universe”, how one particle on a side of the universe is simultaneously affected when another particle on the other side is affected. There is no separateness.
    As far as you saying
    “they would be so far advanced that they would be able to tap into the collective quantum intelligence without any physical or psychological affect on humans.”
    According to Quantum theory that probably could be achieved by a highly and extremely evolved, exceptionally super intelligent race, again theoretically.
    Who’s to say what how an alien race would utilize Quantum Physics if in fact it is actually possible to achieve, in addition what if it’s more than just information they are interested in. To say that aliens must be capable of this or that or they would be doing things this way or that way is nothing more than just speculation from our “inferior” viewpoint.

    My point is that it’s pretty absurd to reach conclusions about what aliens are or aren’t interested in. Theorizing is one thing, but you don’t have the answers to the questions surrounding aliens anymore than my dog does. Oh but wait, I forgot. Who Cares, right? So why do you pretend to know or care or be bothered by other’s conflicting views then.
    They could be doing experiments with our DNA or other types of things that require physical experimentation which are not necessarily intelligence related, but that would require their actual presence here. There is no way for anyone to know what all an alien race would/could be doing without having any direct knowledge, so to conclude with “answers” about that topic seems absurd to me. Without significant info about them and what their agendas are how could anyone know the answers.
    I have theories of what they may be doing but I don’t have the answers, unlike you seem to have.
    My point is, No one has everything figured out. Reality so far is a mainly a bunch of theories more than it is actually understood.

    A quantum reality may have been proven to exist but that doesn’t mean there aren’t other possibilities and different elements to what we perceive as “reality” that is most certainly beyond our understanding right now. We probably understand less than 1% of what’s really going on.
    Many things are pretty much over my head like how according to Quantum Physics observing something is what makes something become something. It has to stop being everything or being everywhere and become “something” when a conscious observer decides to look at it. The act of observation makes something exist, I mean there is a loss in describing/understanding because there probably isn’t any words in our language to describe these types of things, not yet anyway. And about the “holographic universe” how Everything is connected is difficult to fully grasp to me.
    I mean according to the quantum world we could be able to walk through walls, does that mean you can?
    Maybe if we somehow evolved spiritually or learned how to change vibrationally , electromagnetically, inter-dimensionally or some shit like that.

    Anyway, Nothing is set in stone and if you paint yourself into a corner with certain dogmas or beliefs than you’ve only created your own dead end street.
    Some things that are “proven” can turn out to be wrong or maybe not necessarily wrong but an illusion, or just one way of viewing reality. When more light is shown on something so we gain a new understanding and another page is turned, with new scientific discoveries and more data retrieved and uncovered, things can change how we perceive things dramatically.
    Ron you can believe whatever you want to believe, that’s your prerogative and I wouldn’t insult or judge you for it. Everyone has a right to believe whatever they want to believe.
    I think the main difference between your posts and mine is that I keep an open mind and realize I don’t have it all figured out nor do I think anyone else on this earth has. I also don’t disrespect someone by trying to discount an experience they’ve had by inserting my own beliefs/philosophies or way of thinking that don’t allow for other possibilities.
    You seem to have the answers to other people’s experiences even though you can’t relate to them, but you sure can label and diagnose what those experiences are with your vast knowledge of how everything works.

    You repeated “who cares?” in your post after several statements, much to my bewilderment. i.e.
    “Panama Red, mocking what we fear? Again, who cares?! We are all going to die, so what else is there to fear?! That’s what everyone misses.”
    I care and so do a ton of other people who have had very personal and powerful experiences. And I guarantee you would have something to fear more than just death if you had a similar experience. You have absolutely no idea what level of fear is even possible to experience until you’ve had an experience with those things. I’m honestly amazed that I’m alive, that my heart didn’t just stop when these things were happening. Fuck I gotta get another drink now.

    Your answer to life’s concerns is “We’re all going to die”
    With that mentality why bother with believing in anything or researching any kind of ideology or philosophy or scientific research like Quantum Physics.
    No one’s “missing” that we are going to die but I’m not going to sit around and think that nothing else matters and nothing else should affect me because I’m just going to die someday anyway. Where would that take me? I’m not gonna live my life at a standstill.
    And Ron, I can’t explain everyone’s fears but I am observant enough to notice them and observe how confronting big changes in people’s conceived realities is enough for some to balk, deny, refuse to acknowledge and of course ridicule others.
    Again, I never had any intention of converting others into my beliefs but I would like to convince others to keep an open mind.
    You actually seem more adamant and even on the defense about your beliefs. You seem to show your feeling of righteous entitlement, but also insecure discomposure when it comes to trying to dissuade another’s belief or experiences.

    What I thought was ridiculous was this statement:
    “As far as anyone’s experiences and them all being negative, two things; 1 – sounds more like a deep psychological conflict, unrest or issue within your mind. 2 – If I were being visited by aliens in a negative way, I would start a campaign of hate towards the little green fuckers, not just write about it passively. If you want to sleep, resolve your conflicts/issues and if that doesn’t work, smoke some Panama Red!!”
    Again you seem to be able to easily diagnose someone’s experience with very little data or details and have no trouble explaining away someone else’s personal experience. Wow.
    And secondly which is even more totally ridiculous is the second point you were trying to make about starting a campaign of hate towards “the little green fuckers.” and to not just write “passively” about it.
    After reading that statement part of me was so put off by that, that I didn’t even want to respond.
    But maybe my own ego is at the wheel now. I probably shouldn’t even have responded, ego’s are a bitch though. And when I drink my restraint is weakened, although I am trying real hard to not be overtly rude or insulting but maybe I am. I’m just typing, not really paying much attention to how I’m coming across. Too buzzed to give a fuck right now.
    But what is so ridiculous about your statement is that you have no idea what all has taken place concerning these types of experiences with me or countless other individuals.
    But yet you feel like you have the right and the need to judge and suggest what to do in these type of situations. And what the fuck is exactly does a “campaign of hate” consist of and what would it accomplish?

    Seriously man, I’m trying to stay civil. But I’ve had to delete some things that I typed out of anger because I don’t want to get into a lame ass argument over the internet where this turns into stupid ass insults being flung back and forth. I refuse to involve myself with lame shit like that. And If that’s the direction you’re going I won’t take part in it, which judging by your other posts I can see you taking there, to dumb insults and ridicule i.e. calling people that simply have different beliefs than you as “whackjobs”.
    Dude do you know what the meaning of intolerance is? Because you seem to epitomize it in this particular case.
    But if you want to try to keep it on a higher level than that, fine.
    And by the way, those little fuckers aren’t green.
    But yes I’ve felt hate for them but there isn’t much you can do to stop or prevent these experiences. But I do I feel very fortunate that their last “visit” with me was over 19 years ago. But I’ll never forget the fear and the horror of the experiences even if I was to live to be a thousand years old.

    This is why so many people don’t discuss this kind of stuff out in the open, except with people who have had similar experiences. Because it’s so personal and getting into it with someone who is not respectful of that fact can be angering and can turn out to be a waste of time especially if that person has a closed mind.
    But you probably don’t see it like that. You probably don’t think you’ve closed your mind. To you, you probably see it as having an understanding of how certain things really are in our reality, so there’s no need to take into consideration another way of looking at something.
    Until there is disclosure or an event that forces people to be aware of certain things a lot of people will continue to not believe in this kind of stuff and not much can be done about it. I don’t have the answers to what aliens are doing. It’s not like they’ve given a press conference and explained their intentions to the public. Although I’m sure that certain people in high places around the world know a shitload more about it than the general public.
    But all I know is that my experiences were real, unbelievably terrifying with indescribable fear, but real. I can only theorize why they happened and only try to educate myself further by continuing to live without placing boundaries on what I perceive as reality.

    Ron, if you want to leave our egos out of this and agree to disagree, we could just talk about Quantum Physics. It’s up to you. I’m now fully wasted and over feeling anger about this right now.
    Whatever, I can’t believe I typed that much again. Holy shit. Some things set me off, but I don’t want to think about that again right now.
    Gotta go.

  • Tommy Boy

    Wow, PR, wow…I’m sorry FOR Ron.

    We must resign ourselves to agree to disagree. To reach conclusions based on respect and understanding for individuals and their respective beliefs, however they may differ from our own. Close-minded people cannot perceive these concepts. Our world is very slowly dying, it’s people are suffering beyond comprehension because of this type of arrogance….and history is always repeating itself.

    I feel older after reading that post man…I can’t tell how much time has passed. Peace to you my friend.

  • Ron

    Look guys, I have a very open mind and I know that anything’s possible and yes, but having an open mind and having common sense are two different things and I just can’t take it anymore.
    I’ve read a lot of books, articles, always watch the interviews and documentaries on Alien abductions and UFO’s as I’m sure a lot of people do and I know people and have talked to others who tell me about their experiences. And it’s all very interesting, cool and fun to watch, listen to, think about and speculate, but I’m just not getting it. The accounts and the details just don’t add up, make sense or have any purpose when put into context of what an advanced Alien intelligence would do!!! Why don’t you get that???!!!
    And a lot of it is just flat out ridiculous and laughable.
    Anyone out there with Alien experiences, please share with us what you think the Alien motive may be? Their purpose? Their goal? Their mission? And if you don’t know, why don’t you know?! Surely of all the people who claim to be visited or in contact have some inside info you all can share with the rest of us! And be specific, no generalizations please.
    Why would the Aliens be so secret squirrel about it all? Would we inferior humans attack them with our inferior weapons? Would we anal probe them? I know Ziggy Stardust would!
    They wouldn’t give a flying fuck if we humans would freak out about them or not. They would just bust out their shit and get it done! They don’t need to do it in baby steps or break us in gently (no pun intended). Come on now guys!
    If they were going to invade us, kill us, colonize Earth, take our natural resources, which of course they wouldn’t need, because surely they would already have perfected Nano Technology and could create whatever resources they may need. And they would have already tapped into Zero Point Energy, so they wouldn’t be looking for fuel. And they could travel inter-dimensionally with “Worm Hole” technology. (*Not to be confused with Bunghole Technology!)
    And maybe they are shutting down the Space Shuttle program because our government is in on it! They need to create a window of inactivity so the mass Alien invasion can happen without too many people knowing or seeing its coming. And the Space Station, perfect rally point for those humans who are collaborating.
    Or maybe, just maybe, they are back to check in with the experiment they started millennium ago to see just how far we half monkey, half Aliens have come?!
    Area 51? Everyone knows that’s where all our future “Space Age” aircraft is developed and then there’s all these UFO sightings all around the surrounding area. No fucking shit Sherlock! It’s this kind of crap that kills me. I mean are you kidding?!
    As far as bringing up the “Anal Probes”, that is my point exactly. Surely you remember the 80’s anal probe phenomenon?! Why would an Alien have to shove a probe up your ass to down load information? Is that the new portable data drive of the space age, Alien future? In the future will people just stick a thumb drive shaped as a dildo up your ass to get the skinny on you? WTF man?! Come on. It just sounds like a gay fantasy to me.
    It just goes back to all the talk about shit that can’t be proven. And why, with so much surveillance and video cameras everywhere doesn’t anybody actually have video that’s not feigned or doctored?
    My point is, what’s your point? Should we all be afraid that we may be next? Should we start an Alien abduction 12 step program, Alien rehab, do we need to go to DC and lobby for an Alien Military Branch? What?! What should we do?! Just be still and wait for a secret visit in the night? When will it be our turn? It’s so unfair!
    Please share with us what it is you think the Aliens want from you or us? Have you read the Alien Manifesto? Have you written a letter to your congressman or the Pentagon about this? Does Alien Ant Farm have anything to do with it?
    And where the fuck is L. Ron Hubbard and his gay aliens anyway? Didn’t he say he would be back to get his people? That lying fuck! Should we drink the Kool-Aid with Heaven’s Gate when they return? Are we waiting for the secret signal from John Travolta and Tom Cruise? Good thing they have been endowed with the “Scientology/L. Ron Secret Sauce”, so they can alert us thru our mass communications media they have access to! I hope it’s not subliminal.
    Who do you think will be back first, L. Ron or Jesus? Maybe they will battle in the clouds above us and we can root on our favorite. Yeah, it’ll be bad ass! Team Jesus, battles the Aliens and the winner gets the dirty humans as sex slaves forever! Damn, it makes my ass hurt just thinking about it!
    Maybe they are filming us right now for a new hit reality show they’ll be broadcasting back to their planet for those who couldn’t make the trip, using our damn satellites! Those tricky little green bastards! Using our own technology against us! That’s just fucked up! But smart, I’ll give them that.
    Or maybe, just maybe they just want a place to vacation on the beach. Yeah, that’s it! They probably come here to kick it with Sammy Hagar down at Cabo San Lucas doing shots of Tequila and that’s why they chose him. We’ll give Sammy Hagar Galactic wisdom to succeed in the music business and in return, he will create the coolest Mexican Beach Resort known to the modern rocking world, Cabo Wabo!!! This way the humans will be hammered off their asses and they’ll never suspect we’re here kicking it on the beach with them. And an added bonus is we can meet here every October 13th for Sammy’s birthday bash! It’s an Alien-Human win, win! Wait a minute, I may be on to something.
    And it goes on and on and on and on. Why? Why? Why?
    Please oblige us all and tell us why humans are so interesting to down load our brains and DNA. Please share. And In case you haven’t heard, we can get DNA from a strand of hair, no need for contact.
    And who the fuck wants to talk about Quantum Physics man, you either grasp it or you don’t.
    Panama Red or anyone else out there, I apologize if I have insulted or hurt your feelings, but this is not about feelings, this is about facts and truths. I’m not trying to discount your so called experience, I’m just saying , having an “open mind” has nothing to do with having a logical or intelligent mind. I hope you know the difference. I am not trying to dissuade others’ beliefs, I am just saying, show us the money!!!
    I challenge you and anyone else out there who is in contact with the little green men to prove us non believers wrong with real evidence of or at least some logic for God’s sake!
    Panama Red, please don’t take this shit too seriously or personally, we certainly can agree to disagree.
    P.S. I guess Tommy Boy is drinking the Kool-Aid too.
    And why the hell hasn’t Sammy chimed in on this post, I thought he got anal probed?! ;)
    ~ Houston we have a problem! Peace out.

  • Tommy Boy

    Not a sheep…not a sheep. It’s not open-mindedness about fucking aliens…it’s openmindedness about each other and respecting each other, and you certainly don’t grasp that concept.

  • Ron

    You mean openmindedness about BULLSHIT. It has nothing to do with respecting each other. It has to do with not accepting BULLSHIT. The problem you seem to have is you guys are confusing debating a topic with making it about your feelings. You can either explain the logic on this topic or you can’t. If you can throw out wild and fantastical stories, then you sure as hell better be able to back them up or explain some logic behind it. Something you don’t seem to hear or grasp.

  • Tommy Boy

    Ron, you don’t have to accept the “bullshit” that permeates itself in your life. But you can’t rag on someone for stating a comment or a “feeling” about something that may (or may not) have happened in theirs. It’s always about respect and our own abilities to offer it properly. Go find somewhere else to preach, most of us here actually do live in this real world of ours…or is it “yours”.

  • Ron

    I’m not preaching, I’m holding up a mirror to those who spew B.S. because they can certainly throw out crap and see if it sticks, but it doesn’t stick and when challenged in any way, they cower and have nothing real to say. If you can’t handle someone coming at your B.S. with the truth, you need to go back to fantasyland and your wonderful world of political correctness and denial. And F.U. Tommy Girl, do you own and operate this forum or the world?! What country do you live in? Russia? This is America, land of Free Speech in case you haven’t heard Jack Ass!

  • RickieVanWhalen

    Ron and Panama Red

    I have ADD and you lost me after 26,812,375 words! It looks like an alien downloaded your brain right onto this message board! Do you think we are all reading that?

  • Ron

    Rickie, first of all wether you have the capacity to read more than 3 words at a time is your problem. Second, no one is holding a gun to your head making you read anything. If you can’t keep up, maybe you need to take your ADD medication or go read romper room posts.

  • Tommy Boy

    Hilarious Rickie! It’s Sammy’s fault…