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A trip down memory lane

From the thread, “Some Bass ass dude from the past” posted by WBraun on Supertopo.com. Wbraun was hired by David Lee Roth in 1987 do shoot Roth’s Skyscraper album cover in Yosemite:

I remember this guy.

po07bA trip down the memory lane ……for anyone who even cares ………

David Lee Roth hired Ron Kauk and me to help Galen Rowell do this album cover. His production people got him a horse to ride to half dome along with all of the other equipment for this shoot. David decided he wanted to walk and not ride his horse so I asked if I could ride it. “Sure go ahead” he says, “I want to walk”. Cool, I hop on and away we go.

Now Kauk was lagging behind somewhere else during this time sorting out his last minute details telling me earlier he’ll catch up to us. He catches up to the crew and asks where I am? They tell him I’m riding David’s horse. He jogs up the mist trail and catches up to me at the top of Nevada Falls. Ron tells me I’m not riding that thing by myself and he then hops on too. Shit! Two of us on that thing now. We approach towards the saddle the horse became more and more tired, somehow it made it. We make camp at the saddle for tomorrows shoot.

The next day we all troop up to the top for the cover shot shoot.

Galen is running around with his camera trying to figure out the best location. He spots his ace in the hole and tells Ron and me to set up David at the spot you see on that cover. Now we didn’t even have a bolt kit with us, and Galen wants David out in some no mans land with very little features for anything that’ll hold worth sh-it. I go WTF Galen there’s nothing out there and he tells us to do the best we can. Ok man, whatever.

Kauk goes down and places a bunch of A4 sh-it. The final piton where David is supposed to hang off is this pin Kuak puts in (a long med. Lost arrow) sticking more than ¾ of the way out. Ron tells me he hopes it holds David’s ass. Ha ha ha ha

Ron tells me to go to David’s position and set him up when he gets there. I’m on a separate rope and David rappels down to the last pin Ron placed. He takes one look at that thing and says “fu-ck! I’m not hanging off that thing, It’ll pull out and I’ll die”. He is now visibly shaking real bad and scared shitless.

I tell David that I’m the rigger and that he has to have faith in the rigger and the rigger will never lie to you. Now David has probably heard every bullshit line but then he’s never really aid climbed. I tell him that piton is one foot long! And that 7” of that sucker he’s looking at is buried in that horizontal crack to his total disbelief. Ron hears the whole dialog and starts to roll his eyes and hint to me keep it going all while Galen is starting to get impatient with our scared mans delay. Finally after more bullshit lines David buys them and gently as hell gets on that thing shaking like sh-it until Galen shoots the camera.

The shoot is on! David does his Hollywood mode. smiles and all in between bouts of shakes and deep breaths. Galen shoots off his 20 or so rolls in record time and David gets his rope back from above and jugs out. I clean the piton he was on with one jerk of my hand. Kauks eyes roll again and we’re out of there after cleaning the rest of that sh-ity mess.

And David Lee Roth becomes the “Skyscraper”

He gave me and Ron a gold plated carabinier engraved “Diamond Dave” on it after the shoot.

  • swingin’ sinner

    Word on the street was that The show Beverly hills 90210 wanted to use just like paradise as their theme song! wonder what happened with that idea?

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    swingin’ singer:

    So funny you brought that up! I was actually going to write a side note regarding that.
    The producers of “Beverly Hills” called roth’s agent wanting to see if they could use “just like paradise” as the theme song. Supposidly his agent didnt feel that the price they were offering was worth a call to roth, so he didnt hear about it until months later.
    I’ll tell you…like the show or hate it, it became a phenomenon and im sure it was WORTH the call to roth.
    He would have made some nice residuals thats for sure!

  • Dooley

    Duck & Swingin’ Singer:

    No foolin’. The agent should have called Dave. Network prime time exposure is rare and a good thing. Why waste it?
    I also thought Ann & Nancy Wilson from Heart were wrong when they complained about the airing of Barracuda at the GOP Convention on Sarah Palin’s exit. It’s should be easy to set politics aside and be glad people (no matter who) still like the music. In today’s pop culture, any real rock n roll on network prime time is a good thing.

  • phillster

    1st time i dosed i heard “HINA”..- great song,great trip;) thanx DLR.
    I followed both Vhgr&DLR until the F.U.C.K album,after that-
    DAVE WON.F.U.C.K`s music had the attitude&balls sorely missing from 5150&0u812,Sammy just didn`t deliver anything to make it “pop”.DAVE would`ve made it a masterpiece.It was then i couldn`t bring myself to listen to anymore VHGR,I just missed ROTH`s approach too much to give a shit.
    The thought of =VH= playing DLR`s solo stuff live gives me goosebumps,
    The thought of DLR singing Vhgr gives me nightmares

  • dude

    Hina is indeed a great tune. I’m not anti-keyboards but in Hina I always found them a bit too loud in the mix. And that bridge/solo is a bit out there (as Dirty Duck) mentioned. What album is Bump n Grind on? I always like that tune!

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    dude!

    Bump and grind is off the “Eat em’ and smile album”!

    It was also in the movie: “Less than zero”
    When andrew mcarthy was having sex with jamie gertz (Mmmm!)in a hallway during a party….

    I like the song too!

  • pat

    i cant believe i bought this album,it was terrible.makes VH3 look like a masterpiece.

  • FAMAC

    I like Skyscraper. Hina is better than anything Van Hagar did in my opinion. Its one of my favorite Roth tunes. And Van Hagar certainly have NO tunes with that rythmic vibe. And I also like Just Like Paradise – sounds like Beach Boys, but with Dave singing. Skyscraper suffered from period mixing, but it has plenty of good material.

    In comparison, think of that Feels So Good tune from OU812 which is certainly the most gay tune Van Hagar ever did. That sucks compared to Paradise as far as pop numbers. Finish What Ya Started was a high point for OU812 and Van Hagar. Sammy almost makes it through the entire tune using his real voice. He would have made Van Hagar much better had he used that approach more. Instead it all sounds like Boston.

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    FAMAC:

    Greaty post and very true!

  • Dooley

    This Redhead adds Goin’ Crazy to the list of standout Roth tunes along with Damn Good (better than that, outstanding I’d say) and Hina. I’d also put Little Dreamer (w/VH)down as his best ever.

    I keep sayin’ they’re too young to be done,
    So c’mon Van Halen, make another run

  • Mark

    Didn’t like the album Skyscraper that much, but the tour was awesome. Great show. Loved the acoustic set they did, that was still a kick ass live band at that point, even without Sheehan.

  • Rick Pride

    Dooley. Littlle Dreamer is one of my favorites all time!!! Did I ever tell you all I freaking loooooooooove Edward Van Halen???? Oh it’s true!!!’ it’s DAMN true!!!!!

  • GARY 4 LIFE

    I wish we could buy the second album with Gary. I’d put up good money to have it!!!!! Who’s with me?

  • Rick Pride

    Sammy has an amazing voice and took Van Halen to a much higher level but there has and will never be a better front man than Dave. He’s bigger than Elvis and the Beatles!!!!!

  • phillster

    Gary4life: Nobody`s with you,not me anyway.
    RickPride:NoWay,UH-UH-not a chance.=VH=w/DAVE ALREADY TOOK the band to the HIGHEST level any Legendary band has EVER ACHIEVED!Sammy walked in to a band that was so far ahead of him musically it was nothing but a win-win situation for him.
    as a rather successfull BIZZNESSMAN,I`m sure he realized this.SAM, as good as his voice&chops are, was on his way to 1hitWonderdome before the=VH= boys got a hold of him,he would have gone the way of Ted Nugent&STYX IMO.
    I DO agree with you-DAVE IS our generations “Elvis”
    and Ed is his “Scotty Moore”(meaning S.M.`s style of playing created that”Elvis sound” that changed the world as we know it)
    F`in Soundgarden is touring this year!!!
    O.K. officially buzzed
    later

  • phillster

    Notice how VHND is showing more&more material with ROTH?
    I don`t care what the sammyfags&naysayers think,
    THIS IS THE SIGN!!!
    MEWISEMAGIC BABY!!
    Keep Hope Alive!!!!

  • VH Dude

    I’m nobody – just an idiot and at times I’m wrong – maybe I’m overreacting, but this is how I read this: The first sentence in this blog post tells it all: “I remember this guy”. Very disrespectable to the one and only Mr. David Lee Roth. Not to mention the individual that paid you for a service, probably good money too – above what you’d charge your average person (not an ounce of respect to your customer – it doesn’t matter that it is 23 years later). As much as I enjoy the “insight”, it’s just low class to diss your customer like that, much less Dave Roth. And if I understand right, you shamelessly admitted in your post that you really didn’t have proper and full security for your customer (another human being, not just a rock star). You guys BS’d him into trusting you when in fact his safety was not fully secured. Thank God nothing happened. Otherwise you guys would be infamous for being the incompetent jackasses that prematurely ended the life of David Lee Roth, lead singer of Van Halen. Pat yourself on the back for that “almost” f’ed up title. If you think I have less respect for Dave now that I know he was nervous and shaking, taking deep breaths – you are wrong. His gut instincts were right on – but he had the balls to push those instincts aside and trust you – shame on you.

    This was one of those ‘moments’ in your life…to do what is tempting and tell a story…and “expose” the seemingly immortal David Lee Roth for being human and fearing for his existence. Or keep your perspective (possibly wrong) to yourself. I think you could have made a wiser decision. Forgive me for being harsh – even if he wasn’t DLR, he was still someone that trusted you and your expertise. Sounds like you guys were wingin’ it. Wingin’ it is OK when you cook fries, but not when people trust you with their lives.

  • phil

    so much anger and bitterness from people…

  • VanSam

    I find it interesting that when Sammy/Chickenfoot or Gary/Extreme news is posted people freak “That’s not about Van Halen…Blah Blah Blah” But if it’s Dave Solo stuff then it’s OK? Don’t get me wrong,Love all Dave’s solo stuff,but come on people,even it up.VAN HALEN is a band,not this singer or that singer(or Bass Player),and if the Band FINALLY puts out something this year they had better bring it,because weather some of you like to admit it or not,they have A LOT to prove!!!

  • Panama Red

    It’s too bad there can’t be a cool thread about DLR without some people changing the vibe by making it so negative. This was a story about the cover of a DLR album. Why not just talk about that? Sammy has nothing to do with it. I don’t know why some people have to turn a good fun vibe into an insult competition or a pissing contest. That kind of shit has to get old sometimes to those people.
    They were both singers in Van Halen during two separate eras and they both contributed in making really awesome Van Halen albums.
    It would be one thing to have an intelligent debate with different opinions and points of view about the two singers, but to just heave childlike insults with no basis in fact is just so lame and a waste of time. What a buzzkill.

  • http://vhnd.com surfthis!!

    people are jealous van hagar was a success.
    cant blame sam

    dave left.

    end of story.

  • Karl

    ^ +1

  • Russ

    I also liked Skyscraper although I was saddened by the departure of BS. Saw the tour in Johnstown, PA with Faster Pussycat. The thing I remember well was that during Vai’s (Via…lol!) solo. I looked up at the ceiling and there was DLR climbing across the ceiling of the arena! He eventually lowered himself to the stage…it was pretty cool. So I guess Dave either got over the height thing or just didn’t want to hang off the cliff. Hey isn’t he shown going back and forth on the rock face on one of the Skyscraper Videos?

    DLR lost his virginity before his dad did.

  • dude

    Sammy is certainly a talented singer with an impressive range. Unfortunately, I’ve always found his lyrics a bit weak. In my HUMBLE opinion, DLR’s vocal tone and lyrics are much better than Sammy’s. That said, I can enjoy the Van Hagar albums. As FAMAC said, ‘Finish What Ya Started’ is a good tune and there are many others. The tunes balance out cause even when Sam’s lyrics are a bit suspect, Ed’s guitar is there to fill in the holes … For me, the band’s tone is at it’s worst on 5150. Ed’s tone changed a lot and Alex is on those silly electronic drums … Regardless, the album does have some decent tunes …

    I would love for Ed to go back to his old Frankenstein into the old variac’d dummy load Marshall. Record it all live at 5150. Guess I’m just longing for Van Halen 1 part 2. Simple, streamlined and powerful. A guy can dream, right? Rock on.

  • SCAR

    It’s pure comedy that some of you still compare Roth to Hagar! Get over it already!!!! The music is there to enjoy, so party with the VH music we already have and crank the fucking volume up!!!

  • VHIII_1998_

    Gary, I don’t think VH could afford another album to have lack luster sales. In the time frame during the VH3 album and tour Sam released two albums and DLR released one and their albums respectfully did better, specifically Sammy’s Red voodoo. That may have been the reason for Gary’s ousting. I think it would be cool if Extreme would cover some of the 3 material since they are covering early VH tunes. I think if the VH3 line up and Album would have been well accepted there may have been a follow up.

  • FAMAC

    Lyrics are very important to me. I can’t listen to music with poorly written lyrics, mostly over and over again. I know this is an extreme example, but I can’t sing along to a tune with lyrics like “man I would like to suck some c@ck tonight” or “My grandma is so hot, I would do her.” It would make me feel like an idiot to sing along to that.

    Now Sammy lyrics don’t get as bad as this but some are close. Just wanting to name their third record F@CK is so incredibly stupid and low class — its an insult to Eddie’s talent. And you know, Ed really tried to make a good record with Andy Johns. Wouldn’t you be a little resentful if that was the title someone wanted to put on your hard work?

    I’m sure Ed was loaded at the time, and not very clear thinking – but you can only do that so many times to someone befor ethey start to figure out you aren’t helping.

    I’m sure its these sorts of things that all added up to Ed eventually dispising Sammy, as I’m sure any of you would if some dissed or trivialized your work.

  • Dooley

    Hey FAMAC:

    I thought For Unwed Carnal Knowledge was also a reference to the practice of public executions of people who engaged in extra-marital sex in medevial times, or the “Dark Ages”. A much different culture and time. People have always gone crazy in many ways about sex. I seriously didn’t think it was anything more than that and I wasn’t offended by Van Hagar when they used F.U.C.K. as an album title.

  • iwannaberr

    Come on FAMAC, do you really think Sammy had any control of the naming of that album? He may have suggested the name but if Ed didn’t like it, he would have changed it – just like he changed singers.

  • FAMAC

    Some people like Sammy’s sensabilities and aren’t offended by vulgarity disguised as humor.

    I think that title started out with the curse word, and then morphed into the words later. At least that’s what the article a bit lower down suggests. I think Warner also made them take it down from behind the stage on tour (just the letters).

    Who knows, maybe Ed thought it was funny – but I bet he doesn’t now. OU812 is also a mornonic title and totally embarassing. They had all of these titles with Dave: Women and Children First, Fair Warning and Diver Down — just to be followed by OU812 and F@CK. Sorry, but Van Halen was above Sammy’s pay grade.

  • ROB5150

    I know I think differently from most of you, but when Dave left, I was happy. His “Crazy from the Heat” was a slap for me. How could I say that Van Halen was still a hard rock band? I never followed his solo career more to dislike, I admit, that for the rest. I also think that with Sammy, in the period ’91-’95 Van Halen reached the most popularity worldwide. When they arrived in Europe in ’93, even the national news talking about it. They were at the top of the world. Remained free of the wave of grunge. In the 90s were the only band r’n'r credible, creative and respected. And this also thanks to Sammy Hagar.

  • Pete

    DUCK…very cool to hear more about your experience with “Hina”…that song also reminded me of a girl from the VERY distant past, for those exact same lyrics you cited! (It must be a rite of passage or something that you have to date someone like that growing up…oh well…)

    Actually, I had a friend in Vegas who was the biggest Dave fan, and got to hang with him on many occasions. One of her favorite Dave-solo tunes was “Damn Good”, and when she mentioned that to him he said…(now picture me with my Dave voice on)…”yeah…that one’s a little nod to the fellas…good times…” I thought that was pretty cool that he felt that way, I don’t know why.

    In closing, this is one RED HEAD that appreciates good rock wherever he finds it, baby!

    Cheers!

    Pete

  • Top Jimmy

    In a weird way I actually agree with both FAMAC and ROB5150′s posts.

    Sammy’s lyrics and ideas were always a bit juvenille and not as deep or as cool as Dave’s. Which is funny to say since Dave wrote songs like Dirty Movies and Hot for Teacher but if you really annalyze those lyrics they are still more mature than Sammy’s stuff. Just listen to the lyrics for “Dirty Movies” and then listen to the song “Spanked” from F.U.C.K. (which is basically a crappier version of Dirty Movies) and the difference is obvious.

    But I also think at the time VH broke up, Dave was going in a different direction and so was Ed. Neither of those directions were very good. Or at least they weren’t as good as what Van Halen had been up to that point.

    So the fact that they broke up probaly saved the legacy of classic Van Halen.

  • Dooley

    FAMAC says:

    January 7th, 2010 at 10:28 am
    “Some people like Sammy’s sensabilities and aren’t offended by vulgarity disguised as humor.”

    And there are some people who get offended too easily.

  • FAMAC

    ROB5150 – Aerosmith was making better reocrds than Van HAlen in the 90s. Alice in Chains and Stone Temple Pilots also made great rock records. They called them Grunge back then, but that was just a way of saying the singers weren’t getting a hernia screaming outside their ranges. When you look back at them now, Alice is a hard rock group and Stone Temple Pilots plain old rock and roll.

    It took groups like Nirvana and Alice in Chains (and others) to restore the rock sound that previously lost in 80s bright digital heavy production and hair band nonsense. Without them, who knows where we would be.

    Eddie hired Andy Johns specifically to try to shed the sound that had taken them over – he said so in interviews – to get a more Zeppelin warm full sound. That’s pretty much what the grunge bands were doing (drums on Nevermind are very Bonham).

  • pat

    you can trash van hagar all you want but it still beat the crap out of solo dave.

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    Pete: red head or no red head you’re cooler than cool in my book man! I always enjoy chattin’ with ya and that proves that I dont HATE all sam fans! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it non-believers! LOL! :) Whatev…..
    Yeah…looks like we both had a “heather” that broke our heart and left a scar, but you know what? In the longrun we were probley better off! If it’s not meant to be……
    VERY COOL story about dave by the way. Guess you were right!
    Damn Good is truly a great song. And for dave to show THAT side of him was a gem. We all know dave is a stubborn s.o.b!
    Stay cool pete! Talk soon!

    ROB5150: There is nothing wrong with having your own opinion but as panama red stated earlier, why tarnish a nice discussion with your negativity towards dave? This is why so many sam fans irk the shit out of me. No fuckin’ class.
    My advice to sam fans (and the same goes for dave fans)stick with what you’re intrested in discussing and leave it as that. I always try to have respect for others around here and at times even I know I go overboard with my opinions…but I always have that respect. If you dont like dave why come around here? I dont like sam so i stay away from those discussions. I just dont get people like you…
    Also, guess what: they were TOP OF THE WORLD with dave waaay before sam. Thats a fact jack. Sorry you only know the half assed history of the band…..

  • Panama Red

    My brother (4 yrs older) won DLR tickets on the radio back in the day when “Skyscraper” came out. He took a friend from school instead of me. A$$hole! He brought me back a t-shirt. He told me about Dave riding that surfboard over the crowd, like in the video. DLR actually opened for Poison that night.Can you believe that?

    Dirty Duck and Pete- I wasn’t going to say anything before, but the lyrics to “Hina” stuck with me for the same reasons. A girlfriend way back when. I felt the lyrics described her pretty accurately. Good times and bad times, you know what I mean. After reading both of your comments about Hina I realized we probably have that in common cuz those lyrics probably describe most women. At least most women of a certain age. Sorry about your Mom D.D. Life sure can be rough at times.

    Mike69/88- Nice usage of a H.S.A.S. reference. I really like the cover of “Whiter Shade of Pale” from that album.

    Chris Omeara-I’m not trying to start any crap or a Dave / Sammy battle (I’m a DLR, Hagar, & of course VH fan) but when you said: “Even if Sammy had managed to get on that mountain and be photo-ed instead of Dave, he would still look stupid with a cheesy grin and his red plastic tights…”
    You could have just as easily been talking about Dave. C’mon man we’ve all seen Dave’s over the top smile, and I think he has probably worn twice as many tights than Sammy has. In fact I think Dave still wears tights doesn’t he? Seriously though check out some of the other videos available after the Skyscraper video is done playing. Like the Jump and Shyboy videos in Detroit from ‘86 to witness the tights. Or the vocal track remix with photos or his bluegrass “Strummin’ w/ the Devil” stuff to see his crazy smile.
    I’m not doggin’ Dave, I’m just sayin’ they’ve both done some pretty cheesy stuff at some points in their careers. But I’ll always be a fan anyway. Most of that stuff happnened in the eighties when everything had a cheese factor.
    It’s funny how cheesy Dave acted in those videos- that crap he wore, shaking his ass at the crowd and everything. But Back then it was cool. And Sammy was wearing his red and yellow leather jumpsuits with the bandannas and all that jazz.
    It’s weird how time and age makes our perceptions change. Some things about the eighties were so cheesy, but if you were alive then it was the coolest time in history…
    I do think Sammy is a musician first and Dave is an entertainer. If you go back and watch old youtube videos of Sammy’s solo stuff in concert during the early eighties he’s playing guitar and singing on key. Where Dave is kind of winging it with his vocal performance and lyrics and doing karate kicks, (but still entertaining the crap out of the fans making them scream and get into it). Both Sammy and Dave have had a lasting influence in rock and roll and given us all some great times and soundtracks to our lives. I don’t think anyone ever got bored at either Sam’s or Dave’s show.
    David Lee Roth was always entertaining. Dave definitely had lots of flair and he has always had a bigger than life memorable personality. Dave compensated for his vocal range and musical ability in other ways. He more than made up for it or he wouldn’t be the legend that he is.
    Long post, – Sorry sometimes it takes more than a few words to convey what I want to express.

  • Keith

    Would love to have a DVD of the videos and live perfomances

  • Pete

    DUCK & PANAMA RED…it would be a hoot to sit around, have a few beers, talk shit about movies, and laugh at the little “HINA’s” that had their way with us back in the day…you guys rock. Have a good one…

  • ROB5150

    Duck, I’m not a Dave hater, but at that time for me he betrayed the spirit of rock’n'roll with his EP. I never hated him, simply I didn’t follow his solo carreer because I preferred listen VAN HALEN. Is the same now with Chickenfoot, I do not hate them but I don’t listen them.

  • Shylock5150

    David Lee Roth is the most interesting man in the world. Stay thirsty my friends.

  • Jor-L5150

    captain kirk died in star trek 7 ..TWICE.
    sammy hagar quit van halen … TWICE

    david lee roth quit AT LEAST twice…. SO FAR!

    when chuck norris FAILS he calls david lee roth
    when jack bauer FAILS…he calls david lee roth

    david lee roth nailed the go-go’s…BEFORE they were implanted cougars.

    david lee roth coached james brown and boogey-ing.

    the eleventh commandment:
    ” thou shalt honor the van halen ”
    play at least 8 van halen records onthe sabbath, dammit.

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    Pete:
    who knows….maybe if VH does tour again we could get a nice group of us to meet up. I’m out on long island.
    I’m sure we’ll figure somethin’out! Keep on rockin’!

    Rob5150: Didnt mean to bite your head off brother. I just have a tendency of clashing with certain hagar fans. I’ve said from the beginning that I have no problem with anyone liking sam….just have some respect for the roots of the band is all. Many around here truly dont grasp the fact that VH was a MONSTER from 1978-1985. HUGE. Those old shows are still being talked about and lets not forget the fact that VH blew SABBATH and AEROSMITH off the stage as openers.
    That right there proves the band was kickin’ ass and takin’ names baby! VH changed rock and roll. I’m thankful everyday for what that band WAS and how creative and explosive they truly were.
    As far as dave doin’ his solo EP: It was something dave always wanted to do. It was the music he grew up with and the songs that made an impact in his life. In 1985 dave was KING of the world and could do whatever he wanted . Then again so were eddie, mike, and al. They were untouchable.
    I mean frank sinatra asked dave and eddie to be special guests on a video for one of his last recorded songs: “L.A is my lady” for christs sakes! Frank Sinatra! These cats were on top of the world man trust me. I just wish more people around here knew the history of the band before makin’ comments about dave. Dave was truly the man. His star may have faded somewhat over the years but a legend he will always be.

    Panama Red: Thanks for the good word brother. Yeah…life sure can be tough. Thats why you have to be happy with what you DO have. The way i look at it is this: if you’re young and have your health, you’re rich in my book!
    As far as “hina”…yeah…some girls you just never forget huh? Just started speaking with mine again. she’s been looking for me for 10 years but guess what? She’s married with a daughter! Doesnt seem to happy…but what woman truly is right?

  • http://vhnd.com 51yr old fan

    good post panama red but some of these guys don’t get it. dave was the best at what he did but sam is a true rock and roller. the fact is van halen survived wthout dave and dave didn’t do much after van halen. to me some of these comments are disturbing.

  • http://vhnd.com 51yr old fan

    hey duck you don’t respect other peoples opinion. just reread your posts. you probably like springsteen.

  • phillster

    “Hope i die before i get(51yr)old”.
    Re-Read Your Posts man,Your Disturbing.We guys(+kimberely)ALL get it.Sam IS a true R&Rller yes,BUT DAVE did PLENTY after leaving=VH=,6 albums,a book,radio,saving LIVES.You probably didn`t know that being a “Sammy”fan.”Sammy is a true rock&roller”;”VanHalen survived without him”WE GET IT.
    you prefer SAM.DAVE is a TRUE ARTIST as well.
    I`m 39 and have been a fan since=VH=2 came out on ALBUM!! How the hell can you be that old and NOT understand/prefer DAVE?

  • http://vhnd.com 51yr old fan

    first of all phillster, i do like classic vh better than than van hagar. i just get sick of guys like you who are constantly making rude and cruel comments about sam and his hair or voice or belly or lyrics. all the guy did was join vh after ed asked him because dave bailed on them because he thought he was bigger than the band. and you also better come up with something better than a book (which sold about 100 copies. and yes i did read it and i still don’t know what the hell he is talking about). and the radio thing lasted what, 6 months and i’m not sure if he really saved anyone’s life. i will say it again dave was a huge part of classic vh but ed is van halen and he brought sam in to expand his talents and song writing. and i believe that the only reason dave agreed to reunite with ed was because of money no other reason. and please explain to me how dave is a true artist, he doesn’t write music just lyrics and i don’t recall anyone knocking down his door to have him come and sing for them except when sam took him on tour. so let me ask you what is your problem with sam? mate!

  • http://none Dirty Duck

    To start off 51yearold….for you to say that dave is NOT an artist is ridiculous. Some say his artwork sucks…I beg to differ. It’s his vision. And some of what I saw was pretty impressive. I dont recall any other of my favourite rockstars presenting paintings for us to view. And to see a different side of someone you already admire is pretty damn cool in my book. Thats what always drew me to dave. The fact that he had different outlets besides being the normal “always stoned constantly drunk rockstar”.
    As far as his book is concerned I thought it was a great read. I’ve read it numerous times and I must say he’s a great writer. The ultimate storyteller. The book was honest, and I thought it was cool that he never said a bad thing about sam. Kept the jabs minimal towards ed and alex.It was class all the way…
    Im sure you are a fan of classic VH. But you get angry when others make a comment about sam, but never I dont recall you ever take any of our sides when we defend dave. So i guess It’s a double edged sword for us huh? I think any “classic” VH fan has a RIGHT to defend the legend of what WAS that band. And I guess some of us around here thought you out of all people would get that.

  • phillster

    Never judge an artist by the amount they “sell”. Nobody knocked Down DAVE`S door to sing for them because EverybodyKnows DAVE`S in a class by himself.I guess JIM MORRISON was just a no-talent shmuck who just wrote lyrics.How did ED Expand his song writing with Sam when 5150 was Already 1/2 finished w/DAVE? Sam`s solo stuff post=VHGR= sold just as little as ROTH`s at the time, that`s why SAM ASKED DAVE to do a Tour, to cash-in on =VH=`s name-and promote CABO. E.M.T.`s drive around trying NOT to save lives? REALLY??? That`s pretty funny coming from someone 51yrs old, I wouldn’t want to piss Them off. lol.
    My problem isn`t with sam, it`s with fans who LOVE to re-write history. You also forgot to take a dump on ROTH`s 6&1/2 solo albums.