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Paul Natkin’s Van Halen story

vhse863Here’s a little Van Halen story from rock photographer Paul Natkin’s blog:

It was 1986 and Sammy Hagar had replaced David Lee Roth as the singer in Van Halen. Their tour started in the Midwest, and the hype was starting. I was assigned to photograph them at the second date of the tour, in suburban Chicago, for Rolling Stone Magazine. A friend of mine flew in to photograph the opening date in southern Wisconsin. He called me at about 9PM the night of the first show to tell me that he had refused to shoot, as the contract was pretty horrible. This was ironic because Van Halen never had a contract, and neither did Sammy Hagar!

The next evening, I arrived at the venue and was presented with a 4 page contract, that basically said that I could shoot the show (no flash), and sell one photo to Rolling Stone. I then had to turn all the photos over to the band’s management, who could then use them in any way they wanted with no compensation to me whatsoever (They also didn’t even have to give me a photo credit!).

I walked into the venue and asked to see the road manager. When he arrived, I handed him back the photo pass and the unsigned contract. I told him that I couldn’t sign it, and would call Rolling Stone the next day and ask them to cancel the story. I turned around and walked out to my car, put my equipment in the trunk, and was about to start the engine when he came running out, telling me that the band’s manager wanted to see me.

I walked back inside and was escorted back to the production office, where I sat down across the desk form the band’s manager. He asked me why I wouldn’t sign the contract and I told him (pretty obvious reasons). He told me to scratch out all the points I objected to, one by one, and initial them. He then read what I had done (Pretty much scratching out the whole contract) and got to the last item- the no flash provision. Now- I am not a fan of flash photography, but most of the metal magazines would only accept flash images, so I always tried to shoot a couple of rolls with a flash to satisfy them. He remarked that the band hated flash photography. I responded with “I have photographed Van Halen many times, and Sammy Hagar many times and always used a flash at times during the show, and no one ever questioned it.” I then added, “Why don’t we ask Eddie what he thinks?”

So we walked down to Eddie Van Halen’s practice room, and the manager asked Eddie what he thought of flash photography during the performance. Eddie’s reply was, “I don’t pay attention to that stuff when I am on stage- they can do whatever they want.”

The manager walked out of the room, ripped up the contract into little pieces, and said, “You win, do whatever you want.”

I ended up shooting three shows on that tour, including a shoot with the band for the cover of Guitar Player, and in the ultimate irony, the band ended up asking me if they could use some of my photos for a tour end ad in Billboard!

  • Matt

    Cool story. I remember that I saw their second show on that tour and it was in Little Rock. The first was in Shreveport if I am remembering correctly. No big deal, just trying to remember.

  • Bocephus

    They knew they wanted the coverage from Rolling Stone and made a wise choice in ripping up that contract…

    Different era…good era.

  • phil

    great story! saw them at the forum in L.A that year. great show!

  • http://vhnd surfsno2008

    remember the hype about an impending van halen release?
    I got into them in 1987 and was a little disappointed by ou812 which still has a horrible mix. it grew on me. i just loved fUCK and think this was the highpoint of the hagar years

    man i miss the cool vibe the band sent out

    i even like a few songs on vh3 but man do we need some new tunes from the boyz!

  • Aftershock

    Matt is right. The first show of that tour was in Shreveport. They didn’t hit Wisconsin until the 39th show of the tour. I checked the subsequent tour, just to see if the guy mixed up which tour he shot. The Monsters of Rock portion of the OU812 tour did open in Wisconsin, but then headed to Florida, not Illinois.

    Anyway, his tour recollection may be off, but it’s still a great story. Interesting to note that almost all tour photography language these days contains the “no flash” requirement.

  • unchained84

    You’re right Matt. The second show was in Little Rock. March of ’86. I was at the Shreveport show. Little Rock was closer to where I lived… but I couldn’t see waiting an extra day to see them. Maybe Paul’s a little confused.

  • http://youtube.com/esalutti Erico Salutti

    You’re the guy Eddie!

  • Keith

    S0… then who was the jerk-off that wrote the contract to screw the photographers ?

  • http://www.hollywoodgunclub.com Kevy MetaLL

    Keith – I’d hazard a guess and say: Scott Ross? But I will be happy to stand corrected on that if not the case.

  • ou812

    THE GOOD DAY,s FOR VANHALEN

  • http://photos4u2c.wordpress.com/ Dave

    It’s easier to shoot no flash these days. Modern DSLR cameras handle low light situations much better than film.

  • Rocko

    Good Job!!!

  • jimmy

    What a great guy Eddie is!!! Eddie gives so much to people; gives them jobs to feed the family and pay the bills!! Yet the anti EVH’s and the naysayers claim he’s a bad person because of some Jack Daniels drinking bass player and Tequila singer that have been living out of Ed’s pockets since day one and cry foul that it was Eddie’s fault they no longer in the greatest band. Don’t care what the naysayers say, Eddie is the man…and a GOOD MAN!!

    LONG LIVE KING EDWARD VAN HALEN!!!

    P.S. Just heard that recording for the new Van Halen album will commence once King Ed and his new bride are back from their honeymoon. Get ready Van Halen people, the plotting and planning is about to begin!!!

  • Troy Con

    So…….what’s the point of this “story?”

    Did anybody else actually read it? It’s absolutely pointless. I can write something very similar: As a teenager, I was not a fan of Eddie Van Halen. Rather, I preferred Angus Young of AC/DC. However, after receiving some VH tapes as gifts and taking the time to listen to and study the genius that is Eddie, I quickly came to realize that Eddie is to guitars what Rachel Ray is to cooking. And the rest, as they say, is history.

  • http://www.twitter.com/johnnybeane johnny beane

    Great story!

    I became a fan in 1986 right when 5150 came out and love all the photos of that tour ive seen,
    the tour book has some great shots too!
    Sure miss that era of VH!
    JB

  • Kayser Sozay

    Ouch Troy Con. The Rachel Ray of cooking? That’s like saying he’s the Keanu Reeves of acting. Easy on the eyes and popular, but totally one dimensional and unoriginal. If you are going with a cooking reference, at least use a real genius in the kitchen like Mario Batali. Though I do get what you were trying to say and I applaud it.

  • Rob

    Eddie will come back from his honeymoon.
    He will tell us all he can’t wait to “make some music.”
    We will wait.
    We will wait.
    We will wait.
    We will wait some more.
    He will fire DLR. Again.
    (It probably has alrady happened.)
    He will say DLR quit.
    We will never hear any new VH music.

    So, c’mon. Is there anyone who really believes some other scenario than this is a truly viable possibility?

  • Mark

    No, until I have a disc in my hands to prove me wrong, that is exactly how I expect it to go down.

    They can’t even get their shit together enough to issue a DVD of the tour, yet we think they can lock themselves into a studio for a few months and crank out an album?

    Would love to be proven wrong, but I am not holding my breath.

  • Kevin Malone

    Wow, that was a lame story. Who could possibly care?

    re: VH’s future: VH is no longer a band so there will be no firing or quitting.

    Will there be a new album? I seriously doubt it.

    Another tour? Only if Dave’s accountants say he needs one more huge cash infusion.

    I’d love to have both but I’m not wasting my time thinking these clowns give a shit.

    I wouldn’t bet on

  • David St. Hubbins

    I think it’s gonna happen! The same naysayers were saying Dave would never be on stage with the Van Halen boys again and they went out and played quite a few dates to great reviews. They have a plan and it may be a 3 to 5 year plan – but I think they know they need to get this album out – get another tour under their belt and go from there. I hope I am right.

  • scowboy

    I have said it many times before. Forget DLR and even Sammy (and I love Sammy). Go find a new singer, take a chance reinvent yourself instead of rehashing the same shit over and over. I believe Eddie is as talented as the next guy but he needs to stop living in the EVH Guitar God box he has erected around himself and give us something fresh.

    Geeze I am bitter maybe I will stop looking at the VHND.

  • Mark Sachs

    I would agree with you guys that we would never see a new album if it wouldn’t be for the Wolfie factor! Ed will want to make an album with his son, just like he wanted to tour with him. If it wouldn’t be for Wolfie I don’t believe that we would see a new VH album. Because Eddie has became Ed the salesman instead of Ed the musician! That’s just the way it has evolved whether any of the fans like it or not!

  • Russ

    Sheesh! Is is time to give Patty Smyth a call?

  • Pete

    You guys all make a some good points…but Rachel Ray? I’m not so sure about that one…

    There was such a good feeling when Sam & Ed joined forces. It’s really nice to remember. It’s not hard to guess that from past and current behavior that Sammy really influenced Ed in a positive way. Ed seems like a different person today, so I prefer to remember him as the easy-going, music-first, fan-loving genius that he was. (He’s still a genius, so don’t read into that.)

    As for the contracts, sometimes band management can make their “bands” look like idiots and prima donnas because of the outrageous requests management makes. I think it’s probably borne of misguided zeal for their client, but some demands are just so unreasonable.

    Interesting story…thanks.

  • SCAR

    phil, the forum brings back great memories as does the Long Beach Arena. The girls, the parties and all the crazy people!! What a blast!!!!

  • fish

    Author seems confused on either the year, or the details of the tour.

  • Aftershock

    I think the story does show who was behind the contract: the manager, who, I believe, was Ed Leffler at the time.

    It was the manager asking him to cross out the terms he didn’t agree with. It was the manager asking why. It was the manager who walked down and asked Eddie — who didn’t seem to care in the least. And it was the manager who tore up the whole contract after that — apparently without talking to anybody else in the band about it. Other than Eddie, the only one who would have had the clout to complain about flash photography would have been Sammy. If it would have been Sammy’s idea, the manager would have gone and asked him instead of Eddie.

    This clearly was a management deal to control which images of the band were used — and also to take control of the rest of the images and use them without further compensation to the photographer.

  • stew

    Yeah Scar looking up Sammy’s shorts .What memories!

  • phil

    scar, the forum was great but i loved the long beach arena. it was right by KNAC and was always a good time. one of the best shows i saw there was queensryche during the operation mindcrime tour!

  • phil

    stew, stop looking up sammy’s shorts. i thought you preferred dave’s bulge!?

  • SCAR

    What’s wrong stew-pid? Did your blow up doll leave you for another guy??? Bummer Dude!!! Party on Phil……..

  • NaturalScience09

    LMAO @ stew’s comment!

    The Forum is a total dump now! The building itself looked good on TV back in the day during all the old school Laker games but once you were there it was like..”THIS is it?” I caught Metallica at the Forum last year and it looked like Afghanistan inside…bombed out and depleated! The best indoor venue to catch a show live in LA now is definately the Nokia! I caught Rush there awhile back…killer sound inside that venue!

  • Mark Sachs

    Seeing the picture for this article sure does bring back memories! My first ever concert was VH’s 5150 tour on 05/18/86 at the Roanoke Civic Center, Roanoke, Virginia. It was a great show and loud!!!!!! I couldn’t hear for 3 days! lol

  • Pat

    These guys had the world by the tail. Getting cover stories, selling out arenas, radio play,etc. It will never be the same again. I’ve heard that Eddie made Dave sign a contract where he is not allowed to do interviews without VH permission? This has to be true. Dave loves the spotlight and would have loved to have talked about VH past history.

  • Mark Sachs

    Yeah Pat, I’m not surprised about Eddie making Dave sign a contract regarding no interviews without permission. DLR has been strangely silent since the tour ended last July!

    However, there are a couple of different sides to that situation. On the one hand, all that Dave has to do is keep his mouth shut and there is a possibility of another high grossing tour and a new album. Even if both of those are distant possibilities. If all that happens it means that he becomes a multi-millionaire all over again.

    The other side of the coin is that the Van Halen brothers need David Lee Roth now more than ever! I mean as far as lead singers they are not going to be any more successful with anybody else than they can be with DLR.

    With Sammy’s new band Chickenfoot and the bad blood from the 04 tour they are not going to get him back. Plus, the fans are not going to accept anyone else other than Diamond Dave. I mean look what happened to Gary Cherone.

  • Jor-L5150

    nice story from the glory days….

    THAT was when GOOD management made all the differance…

    never the same since leffler died….

  • ClubfootKolby

    Bring back Sam and Gary, and Mike.

  • Troy Con

    Sorry fellas, I love Rachel Ray. That’s what I was trying to say, I love Eddie too. It’s just, the “story” wasn’t really a story at all. But, nothing else is going on in the world that is VH right now so, I guess we take it for what it’s worth.

  • http://www.van-halen.com Cam

    Sorry to burst your bubble but the only reason Dave was asked to get back in the band was Eddie needed the money and Sammy Hagar didn’t want to do it, why do you think Mike wasn’t ask, Eddie was pissed that Sammy would come back and bring his magic to the table again. why do you think Van Hagar and Chickenfoot work so well, not because of the music, the lyrics, and the band, yeah that has some input, but it is because of the business sence of Sammy Hagar, and without it Van Halen is nothing more than an old classic boring band that won’t work in these modern times without Sammy to make it work.