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Sterling Ball on his association with EVH

eddie_1991_vhndFrom Ernie Ball’s site, Music-Man.com site:

Sterling Ball wrote this about his association with Eddie Van Halen:

I guess I have to talk about EVH…

This is a edited message that I responded to on our forum about the old 5150 guitar strings.

It is an example of you never know when you take a little creative initiative where it can take you.

5150 strings are what put EVH and I together….

For years the legend was that he only used Fender strings that had been boiled.  We had dealings  with Rudy Leiren, EVH’s high school buddy/longtime tech on other stuff but they kind of kept a lot of the mystery of EVH’S sound.  A lot of the stuff was just playing with people like David Lee Roth Paternity insurance, no brown m&m’s and stuff…..

So a Guitar World Magazine cover around 1989 or 90 had EVH standing in the hovel known as 5150 Studios…He had just named the studios that and had fell in love with the whole 5150 idea.
Scattered on the ground at his feet were some real acme string envelopes…..I thought, hmmmmm another myth debunked….If he has those dogs we can kill it for him.  The challenge is how do I get his attention?

So I sneak in the art department when my dad was at lunch (back then that was his turf)…….I took stencil and made red labels with a very funky black stencil with 5150 in big letters and guitar strings in small…… I went to the factory and scraped up some old pure nickel and had the guys make them in Eddie’s gauge…I sent them to Rudy who showed then to Eddie and the very next day the phone rings and its EVH.

He said ” I just got these strings and they are hysterical and great strings too…thanks man….”  I said “Do you want to know what would be more hysterical?”  He bit on the bait and I said ” How about if you could make a bunch of money and have your own brand of guitar strings at the same time”  He was all over it and said when can we get together?

My dad was a pilot and had a single engine Bonanza…he and I flew to LA and picked up EVH, Rudy (who was not small) Engineer Donn Landee and another guy and we flew to the factory in SLO. I remember taking off at Van Nuys and a loud buzzer went off and I thought for sure it was weight related (Don’t crash Dad!) but we made it fine.

When we got to the factory I gave them a tour and Eddie got to drive some of my Dad’s cars.  It was time to talk business.  I had passed the groups test.  I said one thing. ” I understand that you have a relationship with Kramer (secret ownership)  It’s been great meeting with you but I am not in the business of designing products for competitors….Are you sure that you can do this?”  He said ” I wouldn’t (Bleepin’ )be here if I couldn’t”.  He liked my royalty deal and it was to the races, or so I thought.

A few weeks later my good friends at DAddario (this business is actually quite friendly) called  me and said “Kramer just sent this string package to us to duplicate and it looks like something you were involved with….whats the deal?”

I called Eddie and said, “WTF….You gave me your word”…..He said “I don’t know anything about it.”
I said that I anticipated this and had registered as a trademark 5150 for guitar strings in between the time of sending him the strings and his visit and that if there were going to be 5150 strings I would be involved.  He said “I own 5150!”  I said “Not for guitar strings”  He said “Are you trying to rip me off?”  I said “No, I won’t come out with them if you aren’t involved but you can’t come out with them if I’m not involved”  I told him I would give him the trademark in exchange for a 20 year license.  The attorneys said money had to change hands so I sold it to him for $20.00 but actually as a joke I told him I would only accept a bowling ball….True story I sold the 5150 trademark for a bowling ball. (Oh yeah and a 20 year license that I gave back when we separated….something I didn’t have to do, btw  Karma is a good thing.)

It turns out Kramer was trying to mess with me. Eddie had no idea that they had done what they did.  They sent me a letter saying that they had to be involved with EVH as he was a silent owner and was contractually obligated to include them in any products in the music business. (The original 5150 strings were Kramer by Ernie Ball on the back of the label)  So I made a a deal where I would sell the strings to Kramer and they would pay EVH the agreed upon royalty.  A couple of years went by and EVH’s  in my opinion over her head junior accountant turned business manager called and said “You have never paid us royalties, I want an accounting immediately or I will issue a cease and desist order.  I said “Wait a minute…Kramer is my customer I have paid them promptly and have zero obligation to provide you with an accounting.  If you haven’t been getting royalties talk to Kramer.”  She asked for the accounting again and I repeated that I didn’t have to but added, “If you ask Kramer for an audit and send me proof then I will give you an audit”

Lets just say that was the end of EVH and Kramer.  Our accounting was perfect and without casting any aspersions or allegations there allegedly a disconnect between the receiving and paying of royalties on Kramers part to EVH.  EVH went red assed mad and severed the relationship with Kramer.

The in my opinion over the head business manager (Who later got hers…thank god.) was now in the position of finding a new guitar company for EVH.  There wasn’t anything that jumped out at them.  I said “How about if I make a guitar in the interim?”  We dont make enough to satisfy the demand but I can promise a great guitar, and we can make him anything he needs. We quickly designed and built a guitar that Im very proud of.  Eddie made great music and some decent royalties.  We made whatever he needed from double necks to baritones.

The rest is history and most of the ending history is full of rumor and falsehoods and hurtful internet gossip. The relationship was a time bomb from a personal and business relationship. EVH had some well publicized issues and there was never any way where it could make the business people happy. We just weren’t big enough, and EVH and I hit the wall.

The less said the better. It was ugly and didn’t have to be. We weren’t the only company that had the privilege  of working with EVH. We weren’t the only company that parted ways in a difficult manner.  I take it as a backhanded compliment that there is more interest in our era than the others. Maybe thats who some of the BS is out there.

I enjoyed the opportunity to participate in the creative process and be an integral part in a very important period of a gifted musician.

But like most things with my family it started with a little creativity, integrity, and a guitar string.

  • Nat

    It might seem petty to shut down a $50 auction on eBay, but you need to protect your trademarks or you could stand to lose control of them. You can’t pick and choose which violations you’re going to attack. If you go after some but not others, you could wind up in a position where you lose your trademark because you didn’t protect it properly.

    You might not have known that the skateboard wasn’t licensed, but you’re still responsible if you’re the one selling it. If you show up at the bank with counterfeit money, you’re the one who’s going to lose it even if someone else passed it to you first. This is the same sort of deal.

    Has EVH become a greedy, money-grubbing bastard? Maybe, but that’s his right. You don’t have to buy any of his stuff and you don’t have to keep coming back here to read the site. If you’re still holding out for new music, you’re obviously not pissed off enough about the greed to write VH off completely.

    I kind of miss the days of just having news here, and not having all the stupid comments. This kind of crap is the reason I never spent any time in the forums and just came here for news. I shouldn’t even click through to them, but I seem to be a glutton for punishment.

  • SCAR

    C’mon Tommy, does it really matter who writes the music? You know the music simply just kicks ass! Embrace and enjoy it dude.

  • SCAR

    I gotta admit Kenny from Florida makes a point. The only thing to remember, is that karma is a bitch. What you put out – comes back – good or bad. I’m an asshole when I defend EDVH, DLR and Sammy’s music because it is such a big part of my life, like it is for others. Listening to a lot of you out there, it seems like you forgot what it was like to open up a VH, DLR or Sammy album (ah remember the good old days of LP’s?), looking at the album art putting the music on the turntable and then simply be blown away by the music. Regardless of what EDVH does or doesn’t do in the business world – it is really his business. Will it effect other’s – sure will, but, remember something, only he will have to answer for his actions good or bad. All we have to do is just enjoy what music has been released and what is yet to come our way. I say pour a cold one kick back and enjoy!!!!!!!!

  • pushtoshove

    Hey scar….I like the way you attack others who have a different opinion of you…..especially the gomer comment?….must have struck a nerve there huh?….Everyone is entitled to their opinion …and people that try to deny this right are usually scared silly…hey Nat….stupid comments ? I just wish people who come to these sites would stop trying to tell everyone else what to do….fear is your greatest enemy , it’s alright , no one’s gonna hurt you …we just have different opinions

  • tommy

    We may all agree to disagree but Van Halen fans are passionate fans. And that’s good.

    I love you guys.

    Now let’s make some music.

  • pushtoshove

    Scar…actually I agree with you…and thanks for admitting that part about being and Adam Henry ( A-Hole ) so forget what I said about …whatever. When the new music comes out I will enjoy a cold one…

  • Greg

    Just a little FYI I have both of Eds last two guitars the Ernie Ball Music Man and a Peavey Wolfgang. I have played the new Woflgang and I can honestly say it is NOT worth $3000
    $1500-$1700 at best.

    The EBMM is ten times better and the peavey wolf is even better yet. Much better feel and sound. Incase anybody was wondering.

    If I suddenly find 3 grand I probably buy one for collecting sake. Bring on the new music ED!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Tommy

    The tuffest thing to deal with here..is that we still have the potential to impact the music scene…

    Washed up bands like motley crue, poison, def leppard are just going through the motions building their retirement funds..

    If VH doesnt lose Roth and Wolf…they will be just like the rest…lining their pockets on smoke and mirrors…i saw them a few times on the last tour and the reality is they were truly the other half in reverse..

    In the studio..they can pull it off with the engineer but if they go on the road..which they will..the true fan will know its a sham..everyone gets rich, but the show with Roth throwing the hat to a roadie at the exact moment every night is a joke…not to mention the set list being the same every night…please. Lose Roth and the Kid and call Sam n Mike.

    other than that it’s Ed paying for his alimony.

  • SCAR

    Hey Tommy, take a really good listen to Saints of Los Angeles – the Crue sound good. Granted they are no where close to VH music, but they are still out there doing the Crue fest thing, gotta give them some points for that. Pushshove I hear you bro. Dude I’ll admit I can be a relentless asshole when it comes to defending the boys music!!!!

  • Brian

    I was just wondering if Greg is guitar wannabe on YOUTUBE ? If so, keep up the good work.

  • http://www.ericleland.com Jungleland

    I think Eddie is doing a great service by endorsing something he knows about (guitars, effects, sneakers) and not doing commericals for MacDonalds or Budweiser. As a fan and as a player I like the signature gear. I own the Jack Cassady Epiphone Bass, the best bass I have ever played. I also had the Marcus Miller bass for a while. It takes a musicians mind to know what a musican needs. Ed is an innovator as a player AND as a gearhead. Making a “profit” is why the companies want to work with him (not the ease of doing business with him obviously). Same as Sammy selling liquor or Mike selling hot sauce