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Righteous, Red, and Rockin’ Introducing the Sammy Hagar Red Rocker Les Paul

From Gibson.com:

Sammy Hagar Red Rocker Les Paul

Through a career that spans stints with Ronnie Montrose, Van Halen, and his own prominent solo work, Sammy Hagar has been the force behind a total of 60 million record sales and countless righteous riffs, and when the Red Rocker rocks, he chooses to rock Gibson. Now, in celebration of Hagar’s mammoth new band Chickenfoot, and its self-titled debut album, Gibson USA introduces the Sammy Hagar Red Rocker Les Paul, a guitar with legendary appointments and a hot new look designed by the artist himself, all primed to stoke a new era in rock. A super-group comprised of Joe Satriani on lead guitar, Michael Anthony of Van Halen on bass, Chad Smith of the Red Hot Chili Peppers on drums, and Hagar on guitar and vocals, Red Rocker is taking the rock world by storm, and the Sammy Hagar Red Rocker Les Paul is the perfect centerpiece for the conquest.

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  • chris.omeara

    He could make it the “Sammy Hagar” Les Paul simply by playing it for 15 years, y’know? Kinda’ like Jimmy Page did? Kinda’ like Slash did? or Billy Gibbons?

    You don’t have to ruin a perfectly beautiful expensive axe by branding it with your own personal idosynchractic emblems… what a waste of artistic craftsmanship…

  • chris.omeara

    It’ll be interesting to see in coming years what percentage of these produced haven’t had their truss rod covers replaced and headstock emblems lightly sanded away and relacquered clearcoat, then played and rocked hard by the owners…

  • Rocko

    Hagar’s better off with Dean Guitars

  • SCAR

    Just kicking back, catching a buzz and enjoying the entertainment!!!!

  • Vanicionado

    All you guys beak about this and that about the guitar, but someone gave one to you, you’d probably be happy.

    It looks good.

    Probably plays fine.

    I hate this site!

  • Canes_fan5150

    Holy crap! I haven’t been this excited since Steven tylers signature snare or James hetfields cymbal pack. My mind is blown

  • EVHOU812

    Hmm. There’s not much of a difference between a standard LP and the Hagar LP.

    The standard LP has a mahogany body with a maple top, stock Gibson pickups, 2 vol 2 tone knobs, mahogany neck, tune-o-matic bridge, rosewood fingerboard, and three way toggle.

    The only thing that sets the Hagar LP apart is the red maple top and the Chickenfoot logo on the headstock. Some signature model.

    So, what does this mean for Hagar’s Yamaha model?

  • Rich

    @ Vanicionado:

    If you hate it, don’t come here then, pretty simple.

    If I was given this guitar I wouldn’t say no, only so I could go to a guitar shop and trade it in for something really nice. Either money so I could buy the Musicman Axis or I’d buy the SRV Stratocaster or a nice Jazzmaster or something. Not really a Gibson fan but even if I was, this isn’t THAT impressive.

    Or try the “chris.omeara method” and get a Floyd Strat and put a ’59 Duncan in the bridge. People just have preference, and most people either don’t like Gibson past the 1980s or just think this guitar isn’t that special. It really does just seem like a Les Paul with a CF logo on it. Aesthetically its nice, with the trans-red look going on and the zebra pickups…but it isn’t about looks!

    Everybody’s issue is that Sammy isn’t really a guitarist. He can play well, he’s got the chops, but he’s a singer through and through, hence why he always has a lead player in the band, like Vic Johnson, Joe Satriani, Eddie, whoever. But I guess somebody has to endorse him after Dean and Yamaha. Gibson is probably a step up from those companies.

  • Simon

    hmmmm….strange, because you can still buy the SH Yamaha Signature Model :

    http://www.yamaha.com/guitars/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=60008

    They should have made a Epiphone for 800.- USD instead !

  • Simon

    Tony, I had a listen. I would describe his performance as competent but lacking originality. I’m not moved.

  • Rich

    Pretty stange Simon. Whats stranger is that Gibson seem to have let a single cutaway model like the SH get past them – is Yamaha too small to sue?

  • Aussie_5150

    About time you convert to the $AUD its gona be way To Expensive. Around 6k here in Australia
    so I hope they do the same as they did with the Slash Guitar and make a Epiphone version…. and as for the CF logo it will have a date with a can of spray paint lol

  • sammyvanroth

    you guys are a bunch of complaining bitches. if anyone paid you to have a signature guitar, all you fuckers would do it! stop being a bunch of fucking pansies!

  • Keith

    I’m pretty sure Gibson went to Sammy. It should have been the Explorer he uses more often. Also, the logo should have been less conspicious like on the truss cover or back of head stock. Also, what really different. Nothing. Thought so. Gibsons are so overpriced and less than average quality.I dont think any players or luthiers work there.

  • Keith

    The color should have been something more original like Cabo Cobalt Blue, like the old bottles.

  • Christopher

    I want to see some Roth signature buttless chaps.

  • phil

    to all my friends on the VHND scar, skutch, ducky and everyone else. how about all of us here at VHND take next week starting monday 2/15/10 make all positive and supporting eddie, alex, wolfie, dave, sammy, mike and even gary. i really just wanna see if we can have peace on our comments for one week!…i’m gonna go have another beer. just a drunk suggestion. THANK YOU MY FRIENDS! vh for life…

  • sammyvanroth

    you rock phil! no shit talking from me for one week!

  • Simon

    ..this guitar has nothing to do with chickenfoot !

  • Canes_fan5150

    right on Christopher! I could use me some of those

  • http://cheeseburgerpicnic.com Skutch

    Phil,

    I’m all for it, but I don’t post negative comments anymore anyway. It just gets old. I haven’t said anything bad about CF in ages. As far as this post, I think this guitar is a beauty. I wouldn’t pay that much for any guitar, but I certainly don’t fault Sammy for putting it out. Good for him.

    skutchipoo

  • Jeremy

    This guitar looks good! Eddie has been releasing his guitars for years because the public wants them! How do we know Gibson didn’t come up to Sammy and say “hey we want to release a guitar in your name?” “We know you had/have a deal with Yamaha, but wouldn’t you rather make one with Gibson?”

    Who cares that he has a Chickenfoot and RedRocker logo on the top!

    He’s been the Redrocker longer than Van Halen has been around and Chickenfoot is his band now! I’d be more insulted if he didn’t have those on there!

    It’s a guitar folks! Plain and simple, it’s a guitar!

    Sammy’s guitar: $4000, Eddie’s Frankenstein: $25,000.

    Um what seems to be the problem here? Oh yeah like maybe 6 times more folks!

    It’s the person playing the guitar which makes you a good guitar player, not the guitar. I don’t care if it’s a Wal-Mart $199 special, if you can play it, your a guitar player!

    Bottom line, WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bocephus

    Steve

    It has zero to do with the money.

    Its all about the Ego.

    Sam is no different than Ed.

  • http://www.droppingalmonds.com Van Foot

    The problem with the music industry was somewhat eloquently stated above with regard to manufacturer’s today. These people are paid to play whatever guitar is put in their hands, regardless of tone. Seems like selling out to me. Interesting to see how Satch changed up his rig for the Chickenfoot gigs. The difference between him and us? We’re stuck with his Peavey JSX head while he moves back to Marshalls and other amps. He can do that for free all day long…we can’t. I find it odd when an artist no longer plays a signature item that they once endorsed and produced. I’d love to hear Ed on an Ernie Ball again, I thought that was his best sound.

    If all of the collaboration led to producing the best tone ever in a guitar, why do artists jump from manufacturer to manufacturer creating the next best guitar? $$$$$

    Thanks to Eric Clapton, Slash, Eric Johnson, Satch (guitars at least) and several other artists that haven’t jumped ship with their brands to make more money. They refine tone through the original instruments they’ve played. That is class in an industry that has become somewhat classless.

    Hey Sam…you really want to play a $4000 guitar through a Crate? Attaboy.

  • Rich

    Van Foot:

    Seems like every promising guitar player gets an endorsement these days. I mean, look at the John Mayer strat. I like Mayer but his “Signature Stratocaster” is literally just a custom shop. It is in SRV colours and has some nice pickups and a slim neck, theres nothing innovative about it.

    I miss players like Clapton and SRV who would just get a guitar and stick with it – did SRV even have an endorsement when he was alive? I’m not sure if he did. Clapton just mashed Strats together and created something beautiful that years later was brought into use for the public.

    More players should do what Flea is doing. He recently brought out the “Fleabass”, which is a bass that he himself uses on stage and costs $500 to buy. Not $4000. He is pretty much in the top 10 bass players in the world (still living) and his signature bass is not a lot of money at all, for playing something that the man himself does. Can you imagine buying the Axis for $500? Thats crazy money.

    I 100% agree that the players refine tone through the original instruments that they played. It annoys me that so many guitar players get endorsements because if they are like Eddie, they are constantly tone-chasing and therefore only stick with a certain sound for a few albums until they find something different. If you look at FUCK, Balance and VH3, the tone really differs through those, as Eddie went from his Kramer to the Musicman to the Peavey.

    But hey, I’d like to think if I was offered an endorsement I’d take it. Free guitars, no?

  • http://www.droppingalmonds.com Van Foot

    Rich,

    Well said…

    Thanks for the tip on Flea, love his work with RHCP; sorry to see Frusciante left the band (again).

    Kinda interesting to see endorsements for save the music and $4000 guitars. I started on an Ibanez AxStar and Peavey amps. No signature stuff, just try and find a good tone at a price I could afford (or at least my parents could afford!).

    I gave the Axstar to my oldest step-son a couple years ago and he rebuilt it, repainted it, and striped the perimeter of the body.

    Would I take endorsements? You bet. Would I mislead fans into purchasing overpriced merchandise with my name or logo on it? I gotta sleep at night (these guys aren’t hurting for cash). Good to see that Flea is connecting with his fans, and that many young musicians have an opportunity to sling an axe of one of their heroes.

    Thx for the exchange

  • Panama Red

    Flea is absolutely an amazing bass player. One of the best I’ve ever heard. Sounds like he’s a pretty cool mofo too.

  • Adrian

    Where are all the hater calling spammy down for hoppin on the gravy train? O… right no they just like fucking tearing edward to shreds yeah well fuck them! Sammy doesn’t need a signature guitar and certainly no one needs this mainstream overused guitar nuff said! At least Eddie’s signature line is a collection of unique and one of a a kind quality/products that actually reflects what he does in his musical career…

  • Adrian

    O shit I look like a hypocrite but Phil right on man! I say we as a collective VHND sign a petition complementing van halen on their kickass 07/08 tour and humbly requesting some more and a new album from our favorite band. If not that at least a live dvd!!!

  • http://www.droppingalmonds.com Van Foot

    Adrian

    As a once huge Van Halen fan, I find it hard to get excited about anything Van Halen is doing. I saw them in their prime with Dave and Sammy, passed on Gary, saw Sammy again with them, and passed on Dave. I saw them with they were at the pinnacle of their careers producing new music. Balance kept me interested and I saw the tour with Sammy at Fidler’s Green in Denver (September) and it snowed about 6″ during the show. Brother Kane opened for VH and someone pelted their guitarist with a snowball, he got all pissed, and threw his guitar at someone in the crowd. Someone also hit Sammy in the side of the face with a snowball and he kept on rockin’, didn’t pull an Axl Rose.

    I have the good fortune of playing in a band and keeping up with much of what is shared through guitar outlets (rags, networking, etc.). Eddie’s interviews are tired and well rehearsed. Eddie’s ass kissing is unprecedented in the RNR industry (read the Guitar World interview with Tommy Iommi). Ed also bashed the industry and states how he couldn’t make any money today with new music becuase of a collapse with cd sales and pirating; even though he made more on a tour than ever before.

    Some people that knew the band from early days used to tell me that Ed was a dick and mostly an introvert. I never used to believe them, until I saw how Michael Anthony was treated when he just wanted to play some rock-n-roll. Michael was tired of sitting on his ass being told the same old story by Ed and Al. Then Ed decides to have Michael’s picture removed from the early albums? What a douche.

    You can throw your hard earned money at whatever you want (after the government takes more than their fair share), but to me, there was nothing like going out and purchasing a brand new Van Halen album and putting it on the record player or cd player. Chickenfoot gave me a little of that old feeling and I became a fan of their style and music. $4000 guitars aren’t for the folks that are spending 1/2 that much to get down to Cabo for a picture (Sam shouldn’t forget those people, but has unfotunately).

    Big Fat Money…that’s what it boils down to, coupled with a few hits of Amsterdam (Panama Red). Eddie could really give two shits whether I’m dissing him or you’re coming to his defense. Focus on the facts and what the band VH has done to produce records over the past 12 years.

    We may have two Chickenfoot albums in two years; and a gold record in this industry stacks up against several platinums of the past.

  • Panama Red

    Van Foot – Good post. I saw them with Brother Cane too. Pretty cool, except no snow.(Texas)
    I’ve also heard personal stories of Eddie being a Dick. Of course all of that M.A. stuff was astonishing. But I won’t rehash all that.
    I knew a chick who was on a flight with Eddie. She said he got super drunk and belligerent. He was yelling at the flight attendants and like spitting while he was talking, he was so drunk and angry. I’m not basing him being a jerk on just that, shit happens, but it’s a bunch of other stuff. And I’m sure he can be really cool too, I’m sure he’s not always a jerk. I’m not saying he’s 100% asshole. Shit we can all be asshole’s sometimes.
    But I wouldn’t have believed Eddie was such a jerk at all 15 years ago. He just didn’t seem like one to me back then. But it’s hard to ignore stuff that’s in plain sight now.
    But It doesn’t change how much I love VH. I don’t think about him being a dick when I’m rocking out to VH.
    It would just be a lot cooler if he was more positive and saw things in a better light. I guarantee we would have already gotten new music from him if he didn’t have such a negative mind set on things.

    The only thing I’m not sure about in your post is — what do you mean about Sammy forgetting about people? And when you talked about the Big Fat Money thing. Do you mean Eddie or Sammy? Both or everyone? Later, man.

  • Van Foot

    Panama

    With regard to Sam. When he releases a Gibson with a CF stamp on it for $4000, I believe that slights all of those blue collar fans that have traveled to Wabo to support him as an artist and restaurant owner. There are thousands upon thousands of fans that play music and purchase tequila under the Cabo banner for one reason…Sammy. I used to have the mind set that if it’s Good Enough for Sammy, it’s Good Enough for me. Even through his really, really shitty solo albums, Marching to Mars for instance, I still supported the guy. Marching to Mars should have come with a full refund + 25% for listening to the entire album. Kinda like St. Anger with Metallica. Even though it won a grammy, that was the worst piece of shit I’ve ever listened to from Metallica, maybe ever…I gave the album away. That snare, or whatever, Lars was hitting in every song made me crazy; after a while, that’s all I heard on those songs. I still support Metallica, even though, in my opinion, I wasted money on their empire in some cases. Being an artist and a fan should be a game of give and take, not just take.

    For Sam to put out a $4000 guitar annoys me. I can’t afford it as a working musician. I’d have to trade up a PRS Mira (great guitar for the lower back), Kramer Jersey Star, and an imported EVH to have a shot. I’ve worked hard to acquire the aforementioned guitars and love their different tones. I look at the guitar (Sam), I look at the price, and I say to myself, “F U Sam”. Most people that will purchase this guitar have more money than common sense, will put it on a wall to look at it, and won’t even plug the f&*ker in. I’m not into the boutique stuff…that’s why I thought the imported EVH’s sounded good enough for me.

    I mean both Sammy and Ed. These guitarists that we support by going to shows, purchasing their pedals, picks, and shoes could give the average Joe an opportunity to sling one of their axes for a reasonable price. By reasonable, I mean somewhere in the price range of $1000-$1500. There are plenty of American made guitars and some imports that play extremely well at this price range. I bought a Japanese strat from Fender when they were still imported as Made in Japan to the States. Regardless of what anyone tells you, the Mexican Strats sound like Two Burritos and a Root Beer Float when compared to the Japanese Strats. There are some manufacturers boasting toady that their imports are made in Japan and offering the axes for around $1000. I purchased mine in 1994 for a little over $500.

    I’ve never seen an EVH Frankenstrat or American EVH played at gigs (other than Ed’s). I’ve seen plenty Gibsons, Epiphones, Strats, and Teles played at clubs by musicians. I’m not sure what the purpose of a $4000 guitar is? I guess it’s the difference between wannabes and gonnabes.

  • Panama Red

    Van Foot- Do you have some time to read some of what my brain shits out, if not that’s cool. You don’t have to read this and respond bro. I’m at home with a hardcore case of insomnia, just killin time. But here goes some of my really long-winded b.s. anyway.

    I don’t know if I would go so far as to say Sammy has forgot about his fans because he put his name on a $4000 guitar but I understand your point of view man. I was a little shocked when I saw that price tag. Although I think you may be taking it a little to personally if you think to yourself “F U Sam” about the release of that Les Paul. But you’ve obviously been a big fan for a long time. So if that’s the way you feel, that’s the way you feel. You’re entitled to it. I mean I understand where you’re coming from as far as the price issues and how it excludes large brackets of people/fans.

    I felt the same way when I found out about the prices for tickets for the reunion tours with Roth and Hagar. Most Van Halen fans were always referred to and known as blue collar types, like you said. So I felt they had pretty much forgot about their longtime, loyal fan base at that time of the reunions or they just didn’t care about the original blue collar fans anymore. Yes the reunions were a big deal but the guys in VH weren’t ever going broke.(maybe Roth j/k) Dave kicks ass w/ VH.

    But they would have been a bigger deal if the Roth reunion was a true reunion with Mike included and if Eddie would have been clean and sober for the reunion with Hagar. Mike and Sammy wanted to take it further and make it a world tour but Eddie couldn’t keep it together. I guess that’s kind of harsh. He’s an alcoholic, shit happens sometimes, but fuck it’s frustrating.

    It was a let down and disappointing for me to think of Van Halen in that new light though, with the inflated ticket prices. Like it was an opportunity for a big cash rake-in and that the tours weren’t inspired by music or something more positive other than the desire for money. The bond that I had felt VH had with their fans seemed like it started t dissolve somewhat at that point. That was a turning point for me, as far as my diehard fanatical Van Halen persona dying down quite a bit.
    Oh well life goes on. Sometimes I do wish I could revisit the old days though, when the band was tight and firing on all pistons.

    But to backtrack a little, I understand your point VanFoot about how it would have been cool for Sammy to keep the blue collar fans in mind when choosing a guitar to put his name on. However I just feel like, someone doesn’t have to buy a Sammy signature $4000 guitar to play guitar. Ya know, He put it out there if a collector wants it or if some die hard fan has $4000 burning a hole in his pocket. Obviously someone just learning how to play isn’t going to spend that kind of money on a guitar. On the other hand the inflated ticket prices are a bigger deal to me because you DO have to buy them and spend the bigger bucks to hear Van Halen play Live. So to me, that kind of stuff is a bigger poke or slight at the fans. Just my two cents.
    Remember the $20-$40 ticket prices (for good seats) Ahhh the old days when I was ecstatic about new Van Halen albums and knowing they were coming to town soon.

    Van Foot – I agree with you about Metallica. The only albums I listen to are “…and Justice for All” and the ones before it. R. the Lightening, Master of P, J in t Fire. They Changed their sound to much after Justice. I talked about it in more depth on another post a while back, but to me it sounded like they lost the heavy metal in their souls. They lost it, you can hear it– or lack of it. Too much money and fame maybe? But definitly not enough genuine, honest metal feel. Not a fan anymore, except for the early albums, still love those!

    As far as the “Marching to Mars” C.D. I disagree. Okay to be honest with you, I bought it when it first came out and threw it in my C.D. player and my first thoughts were, actually I think I said it out loud,–“What the Fuck is This!”
    I think I was expecting it to sound more like what Sammy did last with VH. I didn’t even like “Little White Lie” at first. But I gave it another chance and the more I listened to it, it really grew on me in a big way. I not only accepted that it didn’t sound similar to a VH album, I came to appreciate how different it was. Not better, but different. I loved Roy Rogers’ bluesy slide guitar playing on “Little White Lie” which eventually became my fav song from that album. The harmonica by Huey Lewis sounded cool too. The whole album contained a lot of different sounds and lyrical subjects that I felt made it interesting. Okay a lot of it was about Eddie, Al and Ray Daniels, but I thought that was interesting too. Did you not appreciate Bootsy Collins’ bass playing on the song “Would you do it for Free?” which is obviously a song directed towards someone by the last name Van Halen. Or the tribute to Ray Daniels “On the Other Hand” or how ‘bout the stoner jam “The Yogi’s so high, I’m stoned” No? Really? Damn dude. It IS different and not for everyone, but wow you really hated it huh? Do you think if you gave it another chance it could grow on you like it did me, or does the thought of that make you feel nauseous, like me watching Gary Cherone prance around and peek through his legs backwards on stage like a douche.

    Anyway man, I personally came to the conclusion that the whole album was interesting and a really different step for Sammy to take which I (eventually) really dug. So much so that when I heard about the Japanese album version containing two extra songs I bought that one too.

    I know I’m rambling on and on, hopefully the sleeping pills will be kicking in soon, but I have to add something about my last post about Eddie or I’ll feel unworthy, just kidding. I was talking about how Eddie seems to have turned into a big prick. Well I know there is a lot of good in him too. I just get pissed off sometimes when I think about certain things, and more negative than positive comes out of me. One thing I remembered about Eddie is that I have an old newspaper clipping or two of him visiting sick children in hospitals.
    And I remember a story once when some scumbag grifter promised these sick kids in an infirmary that he was friends with Eddie and he was going to get him to come and visit them. Well needless to say he skipped town with some stuff he stole (can’t remember what exactly) and went onto the next set of victims, I’m sure. Everyone got swindled and to make things worse the kids were let down when they found out Eddie wasn’t coming. Well Eddie found out about this and showed up at the infirmary and hung out there for a little while. Took pictures with ‘em, handed out C.D.’s signed autographs and stuff. Pretty cool stuff Edward. So Eddie obviously has a good heart he just has a lot of issues. But who doesn’t?
    Later man, gettin woozy. Thank God, right? sorry……you didn’t have to read it all though, or maybe you didn’t. I understand. Now it’s time to go make copies of St. Anger and hand them out to everybody at a street corner and then watch youtube videos of Gary Cherone. Oh man, I shouldn’t even joke about those things.
    Whatever, I’m just fuckin around. Gary may be a nice guy, I don’t know, I just don’t care for him as the frontman for VH. And I haven’t even listened to much of St. Anger, but I heard enough to know I’m not interested in hearing anymore.

  • Van Foot

    Panama…

    Read it all my friend. Had a chuckle about the Cherone through the legs bit and enjoyed remembering better days.

    With that…I just caught some Green Day in Munich and the show rocked.

  • Rich

    I think Gary’s a nice guy but was shunned by the press. I saw the Extreme Reunion tour in 2008 and he was a lot less prancy on stage (he didn’t scratch his balls through his legs like he did before “Fire in the Hole” at Rock in the Park – heres the youtube clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxm32xmSaLE) and you can’t quite believe him when he says in front of a good few thousdand Van Halen fans “WE have a new record”. Didn’t feel right.

    Saying that, I come back to VH3 time and time and time again just because its so different and out there. I’m definitely not ashamed to own this album.

  • Panama Red

    VanFoot- Wow, read the whole thing huh? Thanks for indulging me, you must have had insomnia too. lol.
    I bet you can’t believe I have two copies of “Marching to Mars” Ha ha.

    I’ve always thought the guys in Green Day were impressive musically. I think they are good musicians and I like the sound of some of their songs but I’ve never gotten into them because of the lead singer. I personally just can’t withstand that guy for a few different reasons. If they had a different lead singer I would probably be a fan.

    I know your first post was initially directed at Adrian, but I read it and was intrigued. Didn’t mean to intervene but it was cool shootin’ the breeze. Later on man.

    Rich – I’m not ashamed to own VH3 either. I just didn’t like the way it was produced and I didn’t think Gary was a good choice for a variety of reasons that I won’t repeat again right now. But of course Eddie’s work on it was amazing as always.
    I don’t hate Cherone or anything, but I do remember going to see VH with Gary and saying “If Van Halen breaks into ‘More Than Words’ I’m fucking leaving!” Lmao.
    I’m sure I wouldn’t have really left, but I was hoping that Eddie wouldn’t have a lapse in judgement and play “Extreme.” oooh I just got the chills thinking about Eddie playing that…..j/k.

  • Rich

    Panama – I read your post too, it was pretty interesting. Seems like those who are Van Halen fans have a good appreciation for Metallica too. They seem almost desperate to woo my generation into liking them (hence Death Magnetic) but I’ve always thought of them as a thrash-turned-commercial band. Everything after the Black Album (and including that) weren’t very good. I thought Load/ReLoad were just filler. I didn’t even try St Anger seeing as I’m not too much of a fan but I’ve heard bad things. I caught the last part of their set at Reading Festival 2008 and they were pretty tight.

    Interesting about Green Day, I got into them through American Idiot (impressionable 13 year old at the time) although their back catalogue is a lot more impressive. Billie Joe irritates me as a lead singer but I’ve always loved how tight the rhythm section is. Pretty cohesive.

    If you haven’t already, check out the latest release from Alice In Chains. They seemed to learn directly from Van Halen when they got a new lead singer to replace Layne – do a tour, get the fans appreciative of the singer THEN do a record. And it is a great record. Feels great to still have bands like Alice In Chains around, especially given their history with Van Halen.

    Peace.

  • DiamondDean

    josaphina is van halens version of more then words , one was a world wide hit the other had a great solo , mmmmmmmmmmmmm

  • Panama Red

    Rich – I agree with everything you said about Metallica. I went into more detail about ‘em on another post, but I pretty much expressed the same things you said.

    Alice In Chains was one of my all time favorite bands n the 90′s. But I haven’t really checked the new AIC out. I thought Layne Staley was perfect as the lead singer for AIC. Although I’ve heard the new guy is really good.
    I’ve heard one new song on the radio and to be honest I didn’t really like it, I wasn’t impressed much. It wasn’t because of the new singer. I think Jerry Cantrell did most of the singing on the song I heard. I just didn’t really like the song in general very much. But maybe I’ll give it another chance and check out more of the other songs on the new album.

    Later, and thanks for the input. You’re one of the guys here that I think posts good stuff, Interesting comments.
    Later man.

  • Panama Red

    Hey Rich – Speaking of AIC, my wife likes to watch the show “Celebrity Rehab.”
    I went in the living room and (barely) recognized Mike Starr on the T.V., the original bass player for AIC. He’s was on the show in rehab. I watched the whole show and almost got chocked up a couple of times.
    Nancy Staley, Layne Staley’s Mom went to the rehab clinic and gave a speech about drug addiction and about her son Layne. I had to fight back tears, it was really sad. I miss Layne and feel really bad for his Mom.
    I think it was the first time Mike had seen Layne’s Mom since Layne died. He apologized to her for not saving Layne and she said it wasn’t his fault, that it was Layne’s choice. But it was really a sad few moments. She asked if he saw Layne die. He said no, but that he felt responsible for Layne’s death because he was the last one to see him.
    Mike was super high at the time too and I think Layne and Mike got into a little argument so Mike left Layne alone. Mike said Layne’s last words to him were “Not like this, don’t leave like this.”
    So it has messed Mike up a lot obviously. Also Mike feels that Layne saved his life when he over-dosed once (even though it was Layne and Kurt Cobain who shot Mike up) so he should’ve saved Layne’s life.
    It’s really fuckin sad man, what a huge loss, and talent thrown away. Just terrible for everyone.

    I felt pretty bad for Mike too. At one point a nurse there asked Mike what he was always listening to because he’s always got headphones on. ( I don’t even think she knew about AIC)and Mike said he’s listening to his band. She asked him how many times he’s listened to his own band,(I think she thought it was weird or something). He said something like, I’ve listened to it a million times because it’s the only way I can hear my best friend now.

    Oh, I just remembered you’re in the U.K. right? So I don’t know if ya’ll get this show. Well I think I pretty much covered it. Damn you’re right, I can’t be concise can I?
    And I just realized that this has nothing to do with VH (except AIC has opened for VH before – wow, I’m really trying to stretch the line to what’s relevant, aren’t I?)

  • arthur_bishop1972

    Sammy may have done some cool shit musically-most of it before his stint in VH imo, but he hasn’t earned his own guitar… and with a 4k price tag, in this economy????????

    That’s total BS.

    ps-If CF didn’t exist, neither would this guitar.

  • phillster

    The most boring businessman in rock just found another way to slap his name on overpriced crap.(crickets chirping)

  • arthur_bishop1972

    Panama-

    Saw AIC open for VH in Sept ’91. It was weird pairing, esp looking back on it, but they kicked ass.

  • Panama Red

    arthur_bishop – It really sucks man. I saw them in ’91 too but AIC didn’t open for them. It makes me sick and pisses me off that I missed out on that. When I saw VH in ’91 I think it was some shitty band called baby animals or something that opened for ‘em, I think, I can’t remember for sure that might have been on another VH tour. But It wasn’t AIC in ‘91 when I saw VH. I would not forget that.
    It does seem a little strange for AIC to be the opener, but man I would have loved it.
    I remember years ago hearing that Tripping Daisey was opening for Def Leppard. That seems a lot weirder to me.

  • arthur_bishop1972

    I vaguely remember Baby Animals (female singer??)…they may have opened for VH around that time. I can’t remember either :( When I saw them toward the end of the same tour, it was May ’92 and I don’t recall them having any opener.

    I do recall Tripping Daisy opening for DL on their 92-93 tour. I think Our Lady Peace may have too.

    I saw Primus open for Rush around the same time and Bonham open for ELP. Good shows.

  • arthur_bishop1972

    Panama-I wish I’d made more effort to go see AiC when they headlined. I didn’t get into to them big time until it was too late-oops!!!

    I love ‘Jar of Flies’. The vibe is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

  • Jeremy

    arthur_bishop1972 says:

    February 28th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    Sammy may have done some cool shit musically-most of it before his stint in VH imo, but he hasn’t earned his own guitar…

    But on the Jimi post, you said Sammy was in the same category as Air Supply and Three Dog Night? So which is it, he has cool shit or a blip on the radar? It’s the same radar you notice him on so he must be doing something for you to notice it and call it cool?

    Dude you really need to get a clue! Sammy has had a TON of guitars in his name, dating back to Washburn to now the Les Paul!

    Just because he isn’t Eddie Van Halen or Satriani doesn’t mean he isn’t a good guitar player! Sammy’s been playing the guitar longer than you’ve been alive and quite good at it too!

  • arthur_bishop1972

    Who cares how many guitars he has in his name?? How many times has anyone said: “I took up guitar because I heard Sammy Hagar”????? NEVER. Mike Dirnt (of Green Day) has his own line of basses and one of the guys in Blink 182 has guitars in his name. Now what kind of conclusion should someone draw from that????

    “Get a clue”?? I’ll put my R+R knowledge up against yours ANYTIME. Anyone who keeps repeating that Jimi Hendrix was a star for 7 years (it was 5-AT MOST) is the clueless one. Get YOUR facts straight big mouth before you come at me with any attitude.

    Yes, someone can be cool AND be a blip on the radar screen. There’s plenty of one hit wonders to support that claim. Now I NOT saying Sammy is a one hit wonder. By no means is that the case. But there are A LOT of bands who had one cool song, but that was it.

    Honestly Jeremy. Anyone who can’t get past his own negative opinion of Jimi to see the obvious impact he has had and continues to have needs to start over again and has no business arguing about great rock guitar players. That’s like debating great NFL dynasties and ignoring the great Bear and Packer teams of the mid 20th century.

  • Panama Red

    Arthur_bishop – Yes, Jar of Flies is an sweet-ass album. I hardly ever listen to it anymore though because it reminds me off an ex (who was hot as hell), you know how that goes?
    I used to put that C.D. on a lot when we would…..you know. So it makes me feel a little odd listening to it now. Those were really good times, but still it feels kinda weird now to listen to it.
    But I would fully recommend anyone playing that album when they are….you know, with your…special lady friend. ha haha.
    Just make sure you put it on repeat so you don’t lose the vibe or your mojo. ha ha, ’cause it’s not a very long album.
    But it has a great vibe, dark and sexy.
    Sorry it just reminds me so much of that girl. I can almost feel that thick air and the smell of her when I listen to it.
    T.M.I. I should shut up. I’m happily married anyway now. But at least I was a wild man for a little while before I got tied down (I mean that in a good way). Tied down….huh, that reminds me of another girl…lol. It actually really does. This girl who was into being tied and tying others was even hotter in bed and probably hotter looking than the other girl in some ways. And probably out of my league as far as physical attractiveness, not personality wise though. She was a stuck up, kind of dumb beyotch. But it didn’t matter cause all we did was F like rabbits. ha ha. I swear this girl was put on earth to f**k. She was amazing. Okay I’ll shut up now, starting to sound like a real asshole not to mention male chauvinist pig. But damn that girl was incredible.
    There’s nothing wrong with recollecting or reminiscing about good ‘ol memories every once in a while is there? I’m lucky enough to have some good memories, but it’s not I’ve had a rockstars life or anything.

    Changing subject now. We all know Sammy isn’t one of the greatest guitar players to ever walk the Earth, but so what. Neither are 99% of people who play. But he can hold his own, he knows how to play.
    He has never said he is in the same catagory with guys like Eddie or Satch. But he likes to play and I think he has written some cool stuff.
    He even said himself that he wanted a “proper” guitar player to be in Chickenfoot. He’s humble about it.
    But he has been playing the guitar and has been a working musician years before I was even born, so if he has the opportunity to have a signature guitar, then more power to him. It doesn’t bother me at all that Les Paul slapped Sammy’s name on a guitar. The price is steep, but wtf. There are a million other guitars out there….whatever.

    Like I said before, I think these lyrics to “There’s Only One Way to Rock” go perfectly with the overall feeling of this thread

    “And you can analyze this situation.
    To me it’s all just mental masturbation.”
    “Crank up the drums, crank out the bass
    Crank up my Les Paul in your face.”

    It’s all good everyone. Remember we all come here for the same basic reason. We’re all fans of Van Halen. I think sometimes we forget that and get aggravated with each other. If we were all at a party together I’m sure we would all get along.
    Latah…

  • Panama Red

    Sorry about the typos. I can be kind of hard to understand sometimes, I know. Because sometimes I proofread AFTER I click the submit button. Doesn’t make sense. That’s not proof-reading, that’s me being stupid.

    Like when I said: Jar of Flies is “an” sweet-ass album, instead of A.
    And I meant to say: it’s not like I’ve had a rockstars life. I left out the word “like” in my post.
    I was trying to convey that I’m not full of myself, I was just having a little bit of a flashback about a couple of old flames. I should have probably just kept that crap to myself anyway and just said the thing about us all being VH fans. I have an info. filter problem that I need to work on.
    My bad.