“Mean Street,” then and now
At the press conference announcing the 2007 tour, a giddy David Lee Roth asked an excited but at times skeptical crowd of journalists and fans to “judge the band harshly” in his confidence the group could still deliver the goods on stage.
The man got his wish, as a countless reviews poured in once the tour commenced, in Sept, 2007. And despite the fact that die-hard fans were upset that Michael Anthony wasn’t part of it, most reviews, from from fans and critics alike, were extremely positive. People raved about astounding performances of classic songs that had been neglected far too long, and the joy of seeing Roth back with the band. As for the negative reviews, there were several complaints about sound quality, and there were a some shows (thankfully, very few) were fans thought that Eddie gave a sub-par performance, possibly due to drinking.
Below are two live versions of one of Van Halen’s most ass-kicking songs, “Mean Street.” One was filmed in South American in 1983, while the other was filmed during the 2008 tour.
We admit this isn’t quite an apples-to-apples comparison, as we will have to compare professionally filmed footage and soundboard audio from ‘83 to footage that an audience member filmed on a consumer digital camera, in ‘08.
It might seem almost unfair to Van Halen to do this, because, after all, how many bands (if any) are capable of playing a song just as good now as they did 20 to 30 years ago? Everyone (be they a plumber or a musician) tends to lose some zip on their fastball over a period of thirty years, as age is the great equalizer common to us all.
Here are the two performances of “Mean Street,” for your viewing pleasure. How does the VH of the past measure up to the current model? Draw your own conclusions, and let us know here at the VHND how you see things.
“Mean Street” 1983:
“Mean Street” 2008:
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March 29th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Sure they are a little bit older. In the old days they played songs at a faster tempo live then when they were recorded. The 2008 version is at the recorded tempo. Honestly, as much as I love Dave and think he kicked ass on this tour, i think his stage performance is far more different then Eddie and Al’s playing
March 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
If you don’t love that shit, you’re not a fan!! Period!
March 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Both vids rocked!
March 29th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
i hate to say it but i really dont like eddies sound anymore.it sounds like hes playing through a wah wah pesal all the time.too trebley.the performance aint bad considering hes the other side of 50
March 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Is anyone missing Mad Anthony as much as me?
March 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
You know besides the time difference and the tech side of things the 83 performance is so much better hands down then the 08. VH in 83 were at the top of their game with Michael Anthony along with them. In 08 you see a VH that looks somewhat slow. The passion and the energy is different(on the low side of things) so as a result the playing is somewhat different. Im 44 and understand getting older and not being the same as 24 but I see a VH that isnt nearly as much fun looking as they used to be regardless of age. I dont think anyone can say they are the same band and without Mike Anthony they dont sound as good either. Thanks for the great website though. Its one of my favorites.
March 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Both are great!
March 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
i personally prefer the newer video, not that they werent good before, but eddie wanted anthony out of van halen for a long time. he got his wish when wolfgang was legally allowed in the band. i personally think that Wolf brings a breath of fresh air to the band, i am anticipating the possible 2009 record!
March 29th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I aqm surprised how good the 2008 video is compared to the 1983. Sure, everyone knows in ‘83 VH ruled the world, but the ‘08 was KILLER, too! Yes, they are older now, but the band seems to be trying harder these days, which must help!
Long live VH!
March 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
DLR sucks vocally on both renditions; Ed is great on both, but I must admit I think better on the 83 clip. I totally miss Mikey’s vocals & ALWAYS will; in my opinion the only member of VH that gets better with age is the mightly Al. He’s a kick ass drummer then now & forever!!!
March 29th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Anybody notice the “hot4teacher” ending?-genious.
March 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
both are great,the one with Mike is real!
March 29th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Equally good in their own right.
I missed Mikey’s bass on the latter version…but other than that Ed, Al and yes Dave actually impressed…
Mikey really would seal the deal on this latest version of Halen. Too bad it’s the son learning the craft now.
March 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
As amazing now as ever, eddie
fresh!
March 29th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Both are great,but I liked 2008 better.
Stop crying about Mike! He’s doing just fine (as is Van Halen)
March 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
haha 1983 i always thought was a little sloppy but 08 is tight and eddies intro is blazing! Personally i prefer 08 version of 83 is just classic van halen. both kickass for different reasons.
March 29th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
KINGS OF ALL ROCK-N-ROLL THINGS!!! THE MIGHTY VAN F*CKIN HALEN.
It doesn’t get ANY Better PERIOD.
March 29th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
i was just 11 years when Van Halen came to Brazil, so i could not see them live. Years after i bought a tape (VHS) from this show and everytime i watch it my wife asks me: are you not tired to watch this once? Then i stop my air guitar, air bass and air drums and say: i will never be tired!! The newer videos i think is a little boring. They missed a lot of energy and i Mike is part of the magic, despite the fact i understand Eddie wants to play with his son. I hope to see a new album soon and a new tour: they will be greater!! PS: Dave, what the hell is that hat?
March 29th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Musically I have always loved VH. I prefer Dave recorded over live. He can jump around and give a stage performance, but He cant sing worth a shit. BTW- I am not a hater, I just dont like Dave live.I agree with one of the previous posts about the lack of energy, we all know they are getting older- thats life. Maybe, some new music would livin things up a bit.
March 29th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Roth Rulz
March 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
In the 83 version they skip intro and in the 08 version they skip the verse after the solo.Lets see complete versions of this song to make a desicion.Did they play full version with Gary?
March 29th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
The second half of the 83 version rips! They sound like a rising storm.
The guys look hungry again in the ‘08 version. Let’s hope it leads to some new music.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
You can definitely tell the difference in comparison from Mike’s to Wolfie’s bass playing. Mike has a more distinctive “bottom” to his playing. To where Wolfie has a more of a “Twang” and compliments his father’s playing in adding more depth and into what the future Van Halen records may hold as a more (if possible) guitar sound.
“Guitar Rock . . . Rules!!!!!!!!!!
Looking for Valerie to reveal more Van Halen details on Wednesday April 1st Oprah.
Check out the HOT!! shot of her on the cover of this weeks People.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Both pretty much the same.
I would agree Iam not to stoked about Ed’s wah. I wanna hear it like I remember it back from the day.
But still good
March 29th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
83 is the best 08 sucked vh was ed mik al and dave so remember that!
March 29th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
08 sounds great concidering it’s recorded on a cell phone!
83 sounds great too!!
Thanks to Wolfgang for inspiring Ed to get back and give the FANS a great show!!!!
March 29th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Lost a lot of energy over the years but still very much enjoyable. I agree Eddie doesn’t have the same sound as before. I always said what made him better sound-wise was the “crunch”. Steve Vai and others always sounded so “clean”, and Ed had the crunch, which was so much more powerful and rockin’. Often music is about the times it was made in. It’s not the 80’s anymore, and they aren’t in their 20’s anymore. They play it now the way they should at their age.
March 29th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
eddie’s lucky to be standing upright much less play this note for note.look at keith richards now and his live playing.i thought ed did very good.it’s kinda sad to see him older but it happens.nothing against wolfgang but i actually think mike would have added alot more energy if he was involved.
March 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I loved both recordings but like others, miss Mike terribly. I noticed a big gap in the bottom end of the ‘08 video (just started to hear Wolf at the 4:00 minute mark). I think Dave did a pretty damn good job 25 years later but I’ll take the ‘83 version if I can choose.
MA=VH
March 29th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
One more thing….in the 83 version you can REALLY hear Mikey tearing it up on bass. Can’t hear Wolfie like that at all.
March 29th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Throw the pro-shot VH III version from Sydney, Australia in the mix and then you have a clear winner.
Tighter sound. Michael Anthony. Full verse after the solo.
Eddie actually completes the lick at the end of the solo instead of cheating and heading to the A chord. And the breakdown / outro is better than the other two clips combined. Massive energy.
Sure, having Dave back is great, but he can’t sing this song right anymore. Too many parts are beyond his register. The rap in the middle should go away.
March 29th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Today’s VH is a cover band. I love VH but they have put no new music out in over a decade. DLR cannot sing live. He never could sing live well. He was a great showman but awful live. Why no live albums during the Roth era?
March 29th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
This is HOOOOOOOME, This is MEEEEEEEAN STREEEEEET!!!!. Both Vids Rock but I prefer the more recent one when both Ed, Al and Dave gave their very best ever. Mike is sorely missed but Wolfie did pretty good.
March 29th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Look, it’s VAN HALEN then VAN HALEN 25 years later. They are still awesome! The fire is still there and the music is still great. Kudos to them for keeping it between the lines. Thank God Eddie is still alive. Sure we love to chit chat like this online because it gives us an excuse to talk about them, however just go to the shows if you can and don’t forget to tell your grandchildren about when you saw Van Halen live. I know I will!
Rock on Halen, we love ya!!
March 29th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
i think both versions are very good. the ‘83 version seemed to have more energy and the ‘08 was more polished. remember that vh hadn’t played that song since their 1984 tour…so 24 years later they seemed to recapture the magic. they’ve still got the goods. diamond dave’s vocals are fading, but the rest of the band is real strong.
March 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
They forgot the last verse of the 08 version…oh well. sounded great otherwise
March 29th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Both versions cool…energy sorely missing on the ‘08! Eddie’s playing is awesome, but he can be VERY inconsistent! He seems to get lost at times. Also, I agree with all the other guitar heads out there…ever since their tour for VH 3, Eddie’s guitar sound has been so mid-range heavy and grating…like the wah is on in the middle position…very weird!?!?! Alex is a total monster, always! Roth was good on this one, but, he never was a great singer live….I mis Mikey! I still hope we hear some new music from them soon!
March 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Let me say that maybe it isn’t fair to compare the two time periods of Van Halen. It’s fun and interesting, but anyone who has seen both time periods does not need to watch a couple of video clips to make their decision. Saying that the 2008 version was better is just a case of denial. I feel your pain man! I wanted Van Halen to be the old Van Halen, but it’s too much to ask. And it’s not fair to ask (although I have to admit I enjoy this and appreciate any “news” about Van Halen, even if it has to be created…).
My first Van Halen concert was in 1984 and I have seen them every time since including 2008. Incredible music is a given, but among many things, a big part of the appeal of Van Halen used to be the “fun” factor (I think we’ve all forgotten at times about that – it’s been too long). Dave didn’t try as hard in the old days but the concert was an incredibly good time. In 2008 he was in incredible shape and even hit highs I didn’t think he could hit anymore (and wasn’t hitting in recent solo shows). He actually sang most of the verses and didn’t forget the lyrics (expected at EVERY show prior). He was trying hard and it showed. I guess in the process of trying hard…some of the fun was lost. It’s difficult not to be disappointed and I was honestly disappointed. My friends who never saw the old Van Halen with Dave thought the show was OK or even great, but anyone who saw them back in the day agreed that it just wasn’t the same.
Again, to be fair, it’s just too much to ask and expect the same excitement and energy as what was experienced nearly 25 years earlier. The audience wasn’t the same either (actually Dave was in much better shape than most of us). In 1984 there was a buzz of energy in the crowd that I have never experienced since. A friend of mine was on the floor and held up a sheet he made with the flying VH and you would have thought Van Halen had taken stage. When they were on stage it was one big party – Dave was drinking Jack and would take a beer from an audience member. He’d fully interact with the crowd – panties and bras were flying everywhere. Joints were being passed around. Hot girls were dancing in the aisles. And although Dave forgot the words more than once, he still sounded great and they tore it up. I can’t explain it but it was a different sound, more fun. Nothing against Wolfgang – but Mike was a HUGE part of the show. His absence was huge in 2008. And Dave was trying so hard he just didn’t have much room for interacting with the crowd like the old days. Although the old days were carefully choreographed, you felt like it was all impromptu and you were in a small bar with the band. In 2008 you KNEW it was carefully choreographed. There were a few moments that gave you a glimmer of the old days, but not many. Nowadays you can’t pass a joint around and if you step too far away from your assigned seat some jackass security guard will tell you to get back. The environment just isn’t the same either, just as the audience isn’t the same. So it’s not fair to put it all on the new Van Halen’s shoulders.
I hope the 2008 tour wasn’t just a greatest hits tour. I’d like to think it was a warm up for a great Van Halen comeback. The tour itself was impressive, but it was not a comeback no matter how much money it grossed. A new album, killer videos (with the old fun Van Halen vibe), and a world tour would be a comeback. I’m disappointed to hear that Dave and the band aren’t in regular contact (or in contact at all apparently – what kind of chemistry is that?). I’m sure Ed’s got some amazing music on tap and it will sound great when Dave sings over it. I’m just having a hard time getting excited when there is absolutely no real news or communication coming from the band. If the guy’s had a good pr person they could easily throw us a bone every now and then with virtually no effort from the band member’s themselves. And future endeavors with the absence of Mikey will always suck and be noticed. I think it is a disservice to Wolfgang’s future potential to place him in Mike’s shoes. I’d love to be wrong and see Wolfgang start looking comfortable in his new role, but it is too much to ask him to replace MA. Until the band makes true on their word of making new albums I’ll eat up any “news” or bit of information just like the rest of you.
There you go. Van Halen and their fans. One big happy family! First it was Dave vs. Sammy. Now, in addition to that conversation, it’s Mikey vs. Wolfgang. I love VHND! No offense to anyone that didn’t see Van Halen in their prime and then again in 2008, but you just can’t get a handle on things from watching a video clip. I’d like to hear what some of the old timers out there think. Those of you that saw Van Halen in the 70’s and 80’s and then again in 2008. I feel privileged to have seen both, although I feel I really missed out on seeing earlier tours prior to 1984.
To phillster: By the way – the mention of Hot For Teacher at the end of the ’83 clip… If you listen to a lot of old boots you’ll hear tons of clips of live music, unreleased demos, even movie soundtracks that became new VH recordings. I wonder if anything old will surface when/if Van Halen ever record again.
March 29th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
What people need to realize is if it wasn’t for Wolfgang there wouldn’t have been a 2008 version. He is the motivation behind eddie getting and staying sober and getting dave back in the band. Yeah i love mad anthony too, but Wolfgang gives VH a future.
March 29th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Both vids and songs rock. Back in the day we could all keep up with that tempo, now with this last tour the music meets me just perfect. Just like baseball I would like to see my stars perform like they did when they were 25, but with age things change and in Van Halen’s case it’s not bad, it’s awesome!
March 29th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Ed’s tone and gear has changed significantly since ‘83. Personally, I don’t care for the way he sounds anymore. Mean Street during the Van Gary (I know…ew) days sounded way better than the ‘07-’08 tour. On a positive note, Dave sounds about as Dave could ever get.
March 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
^as good as
March 29th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I like 08′. It is what we have left to hopefully see again. Did anyone see the you tube of Eddie hammered in the “first leg” trying to navigate the bridge…pretty rough.
March 29th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Both versions are great… IT’S VAN HALEN !!!!!!!!
March 29th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Jeezzz, for a minute there I though we had some Van Halen news…
March 29th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Yeah, VH in 83, the originals in all their glory, Those were good times, dam good times. But these are good times, dam good times(especially EVHs solo midway and at the end). Come on back in 09 boys, WITH SOME NEW MATERIAL.
March 29th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
The ‘08 version is damn good - in fact, I’d love to hear some more of it both live and recorded!
That said, there’s no touching the ‘83 performance. And it’s not just the measurables (vocals, guitar, Mieky, etc.). It’s the energy and other intanglibles. The boys were in their twenties, at the height of their career, and this music was relatively fresh (and so was their audience). Would you expect John Elway to perform today the way he did on The Drive against the Cleveland Browns back twenty years ago? Of course not! Comparing these two falls into a similar category…sad as it is, we can’t go back and freeze time.
Two more thoughts: (1) I agree that I like Ed’s tone more then than now. (2) I miss Dave’s train-whistle howls. Lots of folks like to knock the Diamond One’s vocals, but is that why we love him? It’s the attitude, the personality, the fun. Plus, I would argue that his vocals on the early VH albums were incredible. What a legendary Rock vocalist and frontman!
March 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
I gotta go with the early version - a lot more spunk - it’s uppity and antsy. Has mood too.
Well, after all, it was fresh in their minds from recording it. This is from the time they had the sound that made people turn their heads and say, “What’s that?”
As far as the new version, that’s not the best clip from the whole tour, is it?. Where’s the groove? But I do think it’s cool when Dave says “Shit Hot Crazy”.
March 29th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Sound quality aside, I like the VH 2008. One reason alone is, it GROOVES!!!! And it’s all to do with Alex. He is now really listening to the bass. Wolfie’s woken up Uncle Al’s senses to what the bass is all about. VH have done it again!! A new dimension we haven’t heard before in the VH sound. Dave is singing better than ever!! In the past Dave on most occasions would talk his way through each song, (don’t forget 200+ shows in a tour and had the sex, drugs and Rock n Roll!) but hey if you want to hear the record version, stay home and listen to it!!! This is LIVE!! It’s the jazz/blues thing in VH that people (particularly the Sammy lovers!) never understood!! As for Eddie, yes I agree with some that his sound is very treble/wah wah. But have you notice the difference when he brings out the Frankanstrat? AWESOME!! And With Dave back in, he brings out the mean, dirty, bluesy and atomic puck kid in Eddie. The way Dave & Eddie talk to each other is MAGIC!!!
But I suppose when an official DVD release comes out of the last tour, all will be pleased. The bootlegs and mobile phone camera quality are really wearing thin for me. (Not even Pavarotti sounded good on those things!!) I’d say dust off the old tape cassette recorder and bootleg the next tour with it and you’ll hear the difference!!
VAN HALEN RULES!!
March 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Are there cassette tapes still around?
March 29th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Wolfie v Anthony = Who cares, at least VH are blazing again.
Old Roth v new roth = Who cares, everyone ages, the song are ageless. At least Roth is NOT Sammy.
Old Ed v young Ed = Who cares, at least he’s still playing, and now not drunken slop like he did for a while.
Rejoice in the now, that’s what VH are doing.
March 30th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Oh, and of course, you can’t compare the sound quality of the 2 performances. Mobile phones sounds like,err, a mobile phone. Ed’s tone is still as BROWN as the day he first heard it in his head.
March 30th, 2009 at 12:11 am
I think it’s the little cell phone camera that recorded the 2008 version that’s making it sound like it has too much tremble. The old version was recorded with an actual pro camera. I saw the show in Anaheim, CA; late 2008. It sounded thick…
March 30th, 2009 at 12:11 am
i cant help but to think this is just a token news segment to get some van halen news out there even if there isnt any.
March 30th, 2009 at 12:42 am
Both versions sounds great, eddie’s tone it’s too much compressed and trebley right now, maybe it’s F.O.H tech’s fault… BTW in 83 they sounded and played like they were still lookin’ for a record deal…. mean and aggressive! right now they play like millionaires, the notes are still there the music it’outstanding on its own and it’s great too, michael anthony is missed period, BTW wolfgang did a great job!
March 30th, 2009 at 3:26 am
Hey pete! Go and please yourself or have a wank over at the Chickenfoot forums for all I care, THIS IS VAN HALEN (and should be) VAN HALEN ONLY!! All you sammy lovers are so jealous that the mighty Van Halen are BACK!!!!….and there’s nothing you can do about it. How it must eat away at you LOL!!! Just listening to the latest Chickenfoot interviews is cringe worth, the supposed ‘Fun’ attitude is so fake!!
Want to see what ‘Fun’ is all about? I still get a laugh everytime I watch Van Halen’s 2007 tour press conferance!! Diamond Dave is the master, had everyone in stitches!! The man is the greatest showman of all time, he is the chosen one!!! It’s in the Rock N Roll Bible; On the 7th day God created the mighty VAN HALEN!!!!!
March 30th, 2009 at 3:30 am
A bit off topic, but anyone got a clue as to how many 4×12 cabinets Edwards was playing through back in the days? It looks like walls and walls and walls of em’….(and what brand are they?)
March 30th, 2009 at 5:54 am
They are both awesome. What a great tune.
Mikey is notably missing in the background vocals though, and truly, that was such a part of VH’s signature sound.
I also agree with the comment about the Wolfgang’s “treble-y” sound…it does sound like someone left the wah on too long.
I thought both of these versions were well chosen…they both are fantastic.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Both are awesome. The 1983 clip had a different vibe from the 2008 mostly because it captured that era very well. Obviously, 25 years ago, the guys had more energy. I’m not complaining, I loved seeing the guys play together again.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Andy, from what I’ve heard, most of those cabinets were empty. Just there for show.
March 30th, 2009 at 7:22 am
I don’t like Ed’s tone anymore. too much chorus and too thin. No Mike hurts. Not bad but not ‘83
March 30th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Diamond Dave - need I say more????
March 30th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Great, sorry, these guys haven’t rocked together since 1984 ! C’m on, you where lucky enough to see them on this tour, i really hope they come to Europe in 09/10.
Btw. : BOTH Version are awesome, VH4EVER !
March 30th, 2009 at 8:54 am
I love Van Halen, but sorry - the 1983 version is far better. The bass/drum interaction was better, the guitar playing was better (Ed skips the end of the main solo going back to rhythm early). The 1983 version sounds more like a band. Van Halen became famous from their live attitude. This is quite lacking in the 2008 version. But anyway … I am happy to see them playing again. I saw them in 83 and 08.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am
TOP GUNslinger5150 you must be kidding. you really think there’s more “groove” now? listen again to the the solo section during the old version. they sound like cream or something fer chrissake. alex and mike are in perfect tandem and locked in a solid groove while eddie wails over the top. THAT’s the jazz/blues thing. the 2008 version is retread. plus, not to start another one of these arguments, but mike is just a better bass player that wolf. it’s not even a matter of opinion, it’s just fact. mike’s a bass player with a fat tone and a solid bluesy sense of rhythm, he grew up at the same time that the other guys did, he listened to the same music growing up, he knows how to play bass better for eddie van halen than anyone on the planet and he’s a HUGE part of the reason why the old version of van halen sounded so mean.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Both vids rocks… vh is the best!!
March 30th, 2009 at 9:40 am
i love van halen but i want real news and its time people hold them to a higher standard.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Could be worse, I’m just glad Eddie is still vertical and tapping away on his fretboard. I hope he still has enough left to give us a couple more records. Soon.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:58 am
I hate to admit it, but musically they sound better now and are much tighter than they were back then. But lyrically Dave’s high pitches back then, along with Michael Anthony’s background vocals are and will remain irreplacable!
March 30th, 2009 at 10:07 am
YOu notice that eddie has to do backround vocs on the 07 tour now that mike is gone!! f wolfgang van halen. ill never go see van halen again after the last show on 10-10-07. BRING MIKE BACK OR F OFF
March 30th, 2009 at 10:09 am
gunslinger,why is it everytime someone calls van halen to task you get so upset and turn it into a sam vs dave thing?the last i checked there are 4 members in each group and a band gos much deeper then whos singing.chickenfoot is more about satch then anything and van halen depends on how well eddie is playing and what mind frame he’s in.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:39 am
this is not news..
March 30th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Mikey will be missed.
As hard as it is to say…we need to work with Dave and Wolfie here..
It’s either that or we get Sam and Mikey back…and we all know that isn’t going to happen.
Sad but true.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:12 am
They should re-record the song with the original “Voodoo Queen” lyrics…they still sound great, though there was a helluva lot more spontanaity on the older tours.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:20 am
They should grow their hair just a tad for the next tour so they don’t look like potato and carrot choppin swabis fresh off the ship for a weekend.
Other than that good job boys.
Val looks hot!
March 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Isn’t it amazing how we ALL age…regardless of socio-economic status? It was fun to re-live in 2007, but it will never be the same as it was back then.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:51 am
The ‘83 version is the best. The groove with Mike playing bass is the best. They were hungry and full of passion.. In 08′, Eddie was still great but the groove is missing.. Lets hope that they do something soon..
March 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
“so they don’t look like potato and carrot choppin swabis fresh off the ship for a weekend.” - WTF does that mean? Crack kills.
As for this. It’s not real news. Chickenfoot and hagar news is real news and belongs on the VHND site per original site vision. This stuff is the brainchild of the new VHND admins. Not really news. Just giving us some blurbs to read till more news comes in. I would prefer waiting on more news. Don’t need the filler. The filler is something that really doesn’t belong here, but nobody bitches about that.
March 30th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I thought the version with Cherone Circa 1998 was better than both!
March 30th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
i agree kenny,this is just a segment that really doesnt have anything to do with news but if you call them on it there is a certain roth diehard fan on here that will go off because he’ll eat this bullshit up and ask for seconds.(top gunslinger)
March 30th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I’m just f’in glad we have some form of Van Halen to listen to and/or go see. Be it new VH, the 2008 tour, Chicken foot, or just new clips on this site..Keep em comin’
March 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I saw the 08 tour 3 times, 2 shows (Boston and Providence) were great, and Worcester, Ma. was ok. I was only 8 in 83, and I discovered VH in 1984, but Ive got 650 videos on utube , and endless bootlegs of all eras VH, and I like both vids, but think the new sound is much better. Eddie has soooo much balls in his gear compared to back then, big deal if they arent running around like maniacs, and Wolfie is doing just fine, I was impressed more by each show.. Quit your whining its 2009, not 1984, so trim that mullet and get on or get off the wagon!! VH RULES!!
March 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Folks, how many Rockn Roll bands from the VH era can pull off what they did with their 07 tour? These guys (other then wolfy) looked and sounded great for amount of time passed since 83…lets be honest…how many 50 plus age guys can pull that off? Big bad Billy sweet William now…but I wouldnt want them any other way!!
March 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
to the off topic person:
Ed was not palying through all of those cabinets, 99% are just for looks. he is playing through his main speaker cabinet which is mic’d and played over the p.a.
he used to play through celestion green back speakers.
March 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Both rocked!! Only thing missing from 08 was Mikey and his voice!
March 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
David Alexander Iam sure is right about the amps. It was just the cool thing to do back then…stack em up to the roof like Fuck’n KISS Yes!
Also the red peaveys on the FUCK tour only a small percent were used. At least that’s what I heard. I could be wrong.
March 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
First strait from the heart Diamond Dave and the king of six strings Eddie van Halen Rocked !!!!!!!!!! I saw the show here in fort lauderdale Feb 12 and feb 20th 2008 both nights right near the stage next to the cat walk and both shows were fucking amazing!!!!!!!!! Alex Van Halen was slammin , Wolfgang was good considering the shoes he has to fill. I go all the Rock shows, and Van halen delivered the goods. I love Van Halen just like half the fucking Planet. I can’t wait to hear the new music. I heard you missed them well their back and ready to Rock the Planet . V.D.F.A use your brain and figure it out
March 30th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
The 83′ version is NUTZZZZ! NO COMPARISON!! I love any and all versions of VH. The band in 83′ was the most wicked band on the planet…PERIOD!!!!!!!!!
March 30th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I’ve seen Van Halen over a dozen times - most of those were before they were signed by WB. Saw them 8 time at Whiskey in Hollywood. Magic Mountain, Pasadena Civic Center twice in ‘77. Zoetrope Studios ‘1984′ rehaersal party and on and on. Point is, that Dave’s voice is shot. Period. He’s got nodes and will probably need surgery before too much more time passes. He can’t sing the songs worth a shit and that is just the reality of it. God bless ‘em though for getting back together. I saw the last tour in Dec ‘07 at Staples in LA. Great songlist but Ed cannot play his old stuff like he used to either; his solo was a disaster. He began playing somehting from eruption or little guitars, etc. and would quit. Very frustrating for us die-hard fans to see this. So I don’t know or understand what all of these ‘positive comments’ from the media are based upon - other than sheer fantasy / wishful thinking. It’s kind of like the crashing stock markets - if enough people say things are great, others may believe it and repeat the message. Not this VH fan. I saw them at their peak and their recordings will live on forever. No rock outfit came close to VH in any category, or did it better live than VH. It is a real shame that the R&R Hall of Fame opportunity was squandered by the band. That was a real kick-in-the-ass to many people - mostly the fans. Van Halen should WAKE UP and recognize this fact and try to make up for it somehow by releasing a polished early-VH-inspired album….
March 30th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Finding&Getting this stuff took 4ever-but it was worth it.
“WINNERS?-THEY COME&GO..LEGENDS?-THEY`RE FOREVER!!SLAMDUNK!!!
seek&you shall find.PEACE
March 30th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Sao Paulo, Brazil, January, 1983!!
Yeah! The best performance definitivelly! The band was in the top of his game.
This version is closer of the original recording. And played with fury!! Rock it!!
(And Michael Anthony always be better than Wolfie). I´m sorry Eddie!!
Today, the performance is good too, but “Everyone (be they a plumber or a musician) tends to lose some zip on their fastball over a period of thirty years, as age is the great equalizer common to us all.” I Agree with that.
Van Halen still rocks!!
I wish and dream that someday Van Halen come back here, Sao Paulo, Brazil and play all the classics again!!
That show (in 1983) was the first and the last show of the band here!!
It´s time to come back guys!!
March 30th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Brian, you post is the most honest one I have read from any Dave era fan. Thank you for the being honset and admitting that Roth can’t sing, and Eddie is “losing it”- for lack of a better word. I have felt this as well, I like Dave VH and Sam VH, and I for one saw/ heard that Dave was loosing it back in 1986 with the “Greatest Hits” release. I can say with “Cant get this stuff no more” and “Me wise magic” I truly love the vibe of the music on both songs. Eds guitar in “C-G-T-S-N-M-” takes me back to Diver Down, a real clean and fresh sound. The other thing about both those songs that really makes an impression is of course Mikey’s harmonies- the are truly unique, an unmistakable sound, that sound is just as much of VH as Eddies playing or Al’s powerful snare.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
All you morons who claim that they miss Mikey…..
That is the dumbest comment yet. The bass player is such a small piece of the puzzle. It’s like for 25 yrs, he was no big deal. Now, he left and all of a sudden, everybody is crying for Mikey. What a bunch of crap. You even claim that his voice is missed. Bullcrap… He’s about 3rd down on the vocals. Wolfy replaced him fine and he barely had to open his mouth. Mikey is a good guy, but you Mikey lovers are pathetic.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
I love it. The chickenfoot fans are complaining about VH content on the VH site. Unbelievable. Just relax and drink some whiskey.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
83 was much tighter and more enthusiastic. They captured more of the intricacies of the original recording. Hate to say it, but they also had Mike in the band back then. His vocals are nowhere to be found and would have propped Dave up a little. I know Dave is older, but move a little more (last tour); you are not in a wheelchair yet.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
I love how many times people (Topgunslinger5150 for example) say stuff like “you Sammy fans are so jealous that VH is back” as though one can’t be a fan of Sammy Hagar and VH at the same time. Dude, VH kicks ass with Roth or with Hagar because they are VH. Period.
Thinking about it, my first hard-on may have been the time I first heard VH (Diver Down - which isn’t even their best album). I loved the vibe of Al, Mikey, Ed and Dave. When Sammy replaced Dave, I still loved the vibe of the band. Yes, there were more “soft” tunes but there were also tunes that rocked every bit as hard as anything VH did with Roth. And there is just no denying three things about the Hagar era. First, Sammy had (and still has) a hell of a set of pipes. Second, VH seemed happier than they ever did as a band and the attitude and joy was infectious for many people (not necessarily with the original fanbase). Third, VH enjoyed levels of success and popularity that they never had with Roth (all albums went #1).
I don’t know why these truths bother so many people like Topgunslinger5150. I totally understand why you love Roth. Hell, I would give Roth the nod over Hagar in terms of charisma and star-quality if not technical ability. But it always seems like people who put down Sammy or people that enjoy VH with Sammy are not really true VH fans but only David Lee Roth fans. And those that say shit like “Sammy lovers are jealous that VH are back” just prove that really, they are just jealous that VH remained popular with Sammy while Dave faded into obscurity until the reunion.
That said, I’m glad Sammy and Mike seem happy with Chickenfoot. I like what I’m hearing and excited for the album. I’m also very glad that Dave is back with the band. I only wish that they would get to putting out some new music. Because many of the posters here are right, this entire story is just filler - we haven’t had any real new VH news is a while. Peace.
March 30th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
I give Dave a lot of credit…he sounded good this tour. I’m still not crazy seeing Wolf playing bass or doing backup vocals. Several people here have mentioned the energy and given Wolfie’s age he doesn’t bring much energy. Granted it’s his first tour and it’s a lot to ask but I’m not the one who brought him into Van Halen. Eddie’s playing is good but not nearly as good as he sounded in VH3. His playing in that day was freaking amazing. The guys sounded good on this tour but the energy didn’t offset the sound…but then again they are older so I give them lots of slack.
March 30th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
1983 Rio = VH in their prime plus some white powder, plenty Jack and some P waiting backstage = Spectacular!
2008 = VH + tons or rehearsing + tons of disipline + 24 years between = pretty F-ing fantastic!
Glad to see em back and having fun together. Hopefully Dave will continue working on those vocals for the fans (He sounded way better than any of his solo music and tours). From there just add back in the old screams and couple jumps off the high riser and your back to 1983. The band - as good as before, with just a little less movement around the stage. This was all just a warmup. The 07 - 08 tour by the way was their R & R HOF induction performance. F the RRHOF….
March 30th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Micheal’s vocals are missing these days. Eddie’s sound is better with the improvement in today’s equipment it sounds sharper. Eddie is a little more radical these days the video from ‘83 is so straight forward. The best part of the song is the opening riff. I think this is one of the greatist riffs of all time it is certainly underrated. He plays notes and creates sounds from a guitar that is so unique. I am sorry but to me Van-Halen is all about Eddie. It doesn’t matter who is on what instrument or mic, the man is a god he is the only reason to go see them.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Kayzer- you hit it right on the head.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Jim if you say mike is not missed in terms of his vocals, then you have never really listened to a VH song; with Dave or Sammy. His harmonies are just as important as Ed’s palying or Al’s snare. I suppose Al’s snare is not important when cosidering the VH sound either.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
I saw 2 shows in 07-08, both were very good. I did however notice how predictable the general sound and setlist were(way too organized for the mighty VH)LOL
Having said that, 3 years ago we would have all killed to see Mean Street played with David Lee Roth in the now.Any critic of the “new Van Halen” obviously has no respect for the original.
The magic of this band was hindered for roughly 23 years, and both vocal, and playing techniques have evolved and changed.I cant think of any other band that can mirror the past from 83 to 2008?I like how the band looks, and im really glad that they didnt go the cheesey route with old stage lights, and props, and hair.LOL
Also, that is one of the best live performances in 83 that ive ever heard! Alot of these old shows are brimming with drunkenness, lost ques and, poor timing. The “new” Van Halen is here, and its 75% of what we wanted.Wolfgang does great, but the most notable difference in the new performance is the lacking of Mad Anthony’s back up vocals(it wasnt all Dave).
March 31st, 2009 at 12:05 am
I saw VH twice on the new tour and thought they kicked ass. I am too young to have seen them live back in the day, but I’ve seen a good amount of youtube and have a tape of the US Festival.
That being said, I am so perplexed as to the critics of this most recent tour. I have nothing against Michael Anthony, but I honestly thought Wolf was superior in every way. I can tell you that watching the tape of the US Festival, MA’s solo absolutely sucks the life out of the show. I agree that he was for many years underrated(in addition to seeming like the only normal human being in this band), but it seems like part of VH’s fanbase has gone way overboard with this “Michael Anthony was crucial” sentiment. According to Anthony, hadn’t Ed had been playing bass (dubbed in) on some of the albums for quite a while…how come all these fans weren’t suspecting this if he’s so critical?
I also cannot understand people who say DLR has “lost his voice”. If anything, I thought his singing was tremendously improved. While his showmanship and general “entertainment value” is off the charts in the old shows, he actually sang the lyrics and seemed like he was paying attention, not to mention his energy and athleticism would be in the top .001% of all 53 year olds (or whatever he is) in ‘07. I thought his voice was much better and wondered if he took singing lessons! I missed the banshee screams, but he far exceeded my expectations and kicked ass beyond belief.
I am not a guitar or drum player and cannot critique Ed or Al’s technical skill, but they were both in incredible shape and I thought they kicked ass. If this was disappointing, what in God’s name were your expectations?
While it is disappointing that VH seems to have no sense of urgency on recording new music, I had absolutely no disappointment in their live performance. They clearly worked very hard to get in impressive physical and musical shape. This tour exceeded my wildest expectations of 3 50+ year old men and a 16 year old playing old music on a new tour. Much respect to other or differing opinions, but when I read some of this stuff about how bad or disappointing this tour was, I say to myself that there is no way we were watching the same thing. Maybe it was because of this being the first time I saw them, and yes I would slightly take the 83 version over the current version, but all VH fans should be happy that it’s a tough call…
March 31st, 2009 at 3:46 am
Both versions cook, it’s Van Halen. I prefer the tempo of the newer version, it shows the maturity gained through the years. Dave is pretty close to the old days. Let’s not forget there would have been a time a few years ago where he would not have been able to pull that off. He gets his chops back all things considering… and no forgotten words.
I was at their last show in Quebec City in 2009 and I was standing int the front row and it was awesome. Keep it comin’ boys, can’t wait for some new material.
March 31st, 2009 at 7:56 am
ITS FAN FUCKING HALEN!!!!! NUFF SAID!
March 31st, 2009 at 10:13 am
It’s like comparing apples to oranges but we must all be thankful that #1. that Ed and Dave co-exist at all, #2. we’re getting to hear the old classics live again and #3.there’s new VH music on the horizon.-Cheers
April 9th, 2009 at 9:57 am
MAKE ED LISTEN TO THE FIRST 4 ALBUMS NON-STOP…
MAKE ED RECORD WITH FRANKENSTEIN (ASH GUITAR, NOT BASSWOOD)HE CAN RECAPTURE THE REAL BROWN SOUND
ROTH IS GOING TO MAKE THE ALBUM SOUND LIKE 1978
ROTH RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!